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'An Insult To Life Itself': Hayao Miyazaki’s AI Criticism Resurfaces As OpenAI’s Ghibli-Style Image Trend Takes Over Social Media

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    I don't understand this post properly. Miyazaki critizes an the movement animation based on an AI model, not chatgpt's ghibli stuff?

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    The article isn't about the new animation but about how the old clip has resurfaced and is retreading its origin and how it relates to recent events.

    Now coming back to Miyazaki’s thoughts on AI, a widely shared video from 2016 shows the legendary animator reacting with disgust to an AI-generated animation demo.

    The animation in the clip reminded him about his friend's disability and how the creators of the animation didn't regard ableism while making it. Later in the clip, one of the creators had expressed that they would like to create a machine that could "draw pictures as humans do" and Miyazaki was depicted as displeased after this statement.

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    • nostradavid@programming.devN [email protected]

      While I agree that it's not appropriate, that woman was a drug dealer who returned illegally into the USA - I will shed no tear for her.

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      Still less criminal than the admistration so very shaky ground for this claim.

      All current drug problens themselves were created by republicans who they invented the drug war in the 70s intentionally to curtail free speech of Vietnam war protesters.

      The drug over criminalization created the environement that directly leads to fentanyl being an optimal border crossing narcotic.

      Drug dealers are more respectable right now than all administration members combined, even the "illegal" ones.

      All very dubious for the most powerful country in the world, which rapes the entire planet for mineral ressources to call any human "illegal".

      I speak for all humans when I say, this planet would be a lot better without the memetic infections known as America, China, Europe, India, Russia.

      Maybe if they all had a nuclear fireworks party the survivors would have the opportunity to learn not to build those monstrous egregores.

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        While I agree that it's not appropriate, that woman was a drug dealer who returned illegally into the USA - I will shed no tear for her.

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        This isn't about her, specifically.
        This is about the utter lack of humanity it illustrates.
        The White House officially makes fun of her suffering.

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          Bigoted against a tool that is going to change the industry and digital art, the same way computers did back in the day.

          If you throw AI at your hand draw 20 frames per second you are going to get the smoothest film ever and that's just a stupid example. You can use AI for a thousand things already from the story boards to your final work.

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          a tool that is going to change the industry and digital art, the same way computers did back in the day.

          This type of comparison makes no sense: with traditional art you have to put skill, knowledge and personality into your work, with digital art it's the same thing but with computers, with AI "art" you don't. You just ask the mighty machine what you want and it'll spit processed garbage heavily approximating what you asked for. You could try fixing the output yourself, but at that point it's no longer just AI, it becomes a mix of digital art and AI "art" with all the other problems the latter carries with it such as copyright, constant output reprocessing and especially energy consumption as making one crappy looking output takes way too much power for it to be viable in the long term.

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            And? Plenty of countries where that's not an issue, or at worse she'd get either a fine or medical counseling on addiction for a couple days https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-that-have-decriminalized-drugs.html

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            I'm all for drug legalization. It's not legal, and trying to somehow justify someone coming to America to traffic in fentanyl, which is a straight up killer, is incredibly disingenuous. And Oregon decriminalized drugs and had to walk it back because it became a problem.

            Like I said, I'm in favor of it, but that's not what we are dealing with. Someone who crosses a border to sell a deadly drug isn't out here to help people. And if some American rolls into Portugal and starts selling fentanyl, I can assure you it ends up in that person getting removed from Portugal.

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              I don’t see mathematicians pitching a fit that lesser skilled people can use calculators to produce their results. I don’t understand the artists’ complaining that AI allows the lesser skilled people to produce an image of their ideas.

              As always, the problem isn’t the tech. The problem is capitalism forcing people into competing with the tech.

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                i hate how brainwashed westerners are. will go on a diatribe about the importance of free speech and then rabidly defend copyright as if it isn’t directly contrary to the idea of freedom of information, all in the same breath.

                inb4 that’s a description of every reply to this comment.

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                I don't see an issue.

                Let's say I write a book and it starts getting popular. A big publisher notices and makes a nicer looking book that's a direct copy and runs a marketing campaign and it goes viral. It turns into a movie, video game, and has tons of merch. The publisher makes tons of money and I get nothing.

                Is that really the future you want?

                Copyright grants a temporary monopoly on a work, and that's a good thing because it protects people from large corporations that have much more resources than them.

                The problem with copyright is that it lasts too long, not that it exists. We need to cut copyright substantially (say, 10-20 years), but not throw it out altogether.

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                  Again, until your boss feels he doesn't need you and can just rely on good enough shit regurgitated by AI.

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                  Again like I said earlier 'they'll take yer jobs' is more about spreading fear and panic. The panic is never truly justified.

                  The Jobs will change. Bosses will always try to get rid of employees in favour of profits. Immigrants, sorry I mean AI is not a big threat.

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                    a tool that is going to change the industry and digital art, the same way computers did back in the day.

                    This type of comparison makes no sense: with traditional art you have to put skill, knowledge and personality into your work, with digital art it's the same thing but with computers, with AI "art" you don't. You just ask the mighty machine what you want and it'll spit processed garbage heavily approximating what you asked for. You could try fixing the output yourself, but at that point it's no longer just AI, it becomes a mix of digital art and AI "art" with all the other problems the latter carries with it such as copyright, constant output reprocessing and especially energy consumption as making one crappy looking output takes way too much power for it to be viable in the long term.

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                    with traditional art you have to put skill, knowledge and personality into your work, with digital art it’s the same thing but with computers, with AI “art” you don’t.

                    I think many people here have a romantic view of how art is made and never tried AI image generators. Would you be able to tell apart an artist who use reference pictures and one who doesn't?

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                      I don’t see mathematicians pitching a fit that lesser skilled people can use calculators to produce their results. I don’t understand the artists’ complaining that AI allows the lesser skilled people to produce an image of their ideas.

                      As always, the problem isn’t the tech. The problem is capitalism forcing people into competing with the tech.

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                      I don't think you have a good handle on what mathematicians do.

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                        There'd be no need for drug dealers if drugs were decriminalized, like in other progressive Nations.

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                        like in other progressive Nations.

                        Show me a progressive nation that has decriminalized Fentanyl (which is what the woman was caught for last time).

                        If we're talking weed, I 100% agree - that should be decriminalized everywhere.

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                          Who's watching marvel movies for free, legally? Who's listening to RHCP's entire discography for free, legally?

                          Not the people training AI, they've been caught pirating their data multiple times.

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                          No one is. That's exactly the point.

                          Llms aren't recreating copyrighted works. They're drawing inspiration if you will. No copyright is being infringed.

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                            i hate how brainwashed westerners are. will go on a diatribe about the importance of free speech and then rabidly defend copyright as if it isn’t directly contrary to the idea of freedom of information, all in the same breath.

                            inb4 that’s a description of every reply to this comment.

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                            Pretty sure you don't understand the difference between copywrite and freedom of speech. But that's ok.

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                              And? Plenty of countries where that's not an issue, or at worse she'd get either a fine or medical counseling on addiction for a couple days https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-that-have-decriminalized-drugs.html

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                              Which of those countries have decriminalized Fentanyl? I bet it's none of them.

                              Weed is fine, obviously.

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                                Which of those countries have decriminalized Fentanyl? I bet it's none of them.

                                Weed is fine, obviously.

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                                What part of literally all drugs did you not get from the list at the bottom mentioning places like Portugal and Croatia?

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                                  I'm all for drug legalization. It's not legal, and trying to somehow justify someone coming to America to traffic in fentanyl, which is a straight up killer, is incredibly disingenuous. And Oregon decriminalized drugs and had to walk it back because it became a problem.

                                  Like I said, I'm in favor of it, but that's not what we are dealing with. Someone who crosses a border to sell a deadly drug isn't out here to help people. And if some American rolls into Portugal and starts selling fentanyl, I can assure you it ends up in that person getting removed from Portugal.

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                                  Fentanyl is a part of the category 'all drugs'. Some places like Uruguay have literally ZERO penalties for drug use recreationally, and they haven't defined limits on the amount for personal use on anything but Marijuana (40g) so the judge would have to decide if the woman was carrying a huge amount or if there was a possibility it was personal use. https://www.tni.org/en/publication/about-drug-law-reform-in-uruguay

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                                    I don't think you have a good handle on what mathematicians do.

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                                    Nor what artists really do

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                                      Again like I said earlier 'they'll take yer jobs' is more about spreading fear and panic. The panic is never truly justified.

                                      The Jobs will change. Bosses will always try to get rid of employees in favour of profits. Immigrants, sorry I mean AI is not a big threat.

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                                      Dude, you're the one saying it's ok to replace paid artists with AI, you're the one saying it's able to do their job, you're the one saying that it can take people's job, you just don't feel concerned because you can't imagine you'll be the one being affected, you're the one sounding like a Trumpist "It's ok, it will only affect others!"

                                      I'm done, this is idiotic.

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                                        Dude, you're the one saying it's ok to replace paid artists with AI, you're the one saying it's able to do their job, you're the one saying that it can take people's job, you just don't feel concerned because you can't imagine you'll be the one being affected, you're the one sounding like a Trumpist "It's ok, it will only affect others!"

                                        I'm done, this is idiotic.

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                                        I never said to replace them. I just don't care if they make a living. I prefer AI

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                                        • nostradavid@programming.devN [email protected]

                                          like in other progressive Nations.

                                          Show me a progressive nation that has decriminalized Fentanyl (which is what the woman was caught for last time).

                                          If we're talking weed, I 100% agree - that should be decriminalized everywhere.

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                                          I would argue that they're smuggling in fentanyl precisely because the less dangerous drugs are also illegal, so there's no oversight in making sure they're not laced with the cheaper fentanyl.

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