'An Insult To Life Itself': Hayao Miyazaki’s AI Criticism Resurfaces As OpenAI’s Ghibli-Style Image Trend Takes Over Social Media
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Unfathomably based
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The bigger problem here is the loss of jobs and we are talking about a huge loss of employment that will affect economies really hard.
I would say that's a tangential problem. Because, you know, in theory...
But the deeper problem is ultimately in expertise as a learned skill developed over time and through practice. If you're de-skilling work, you're dismantling the tools by which we train the next generation of artists and production crews. If we were just replacing humans with machines for some route manual labor (like Pixar replaced Disney's old hand drawn animations with a newer CGI look), the result would be a new style and perhaps less tendentious from route reproductions.
But we're gutting the whole process of development which means you're losing the pool of skilled professionals who know how to create CGI (or even flip-book style 60s animation) from first principles. That means sacrificing whole fields of specialized expertise for... what? This?
I think it's intentional. Where you had to think to do something, you'd inevitably learn to think. Where you had to put soul and wisdom and aesthetic feeling into your work, you'd inevitably touch those things for other parts of your life.
There are people higher in the society, who think lower castes shouldn't have that and will be fine with knowledge and expertise just sufficient to do their jobs.
They wouldn't be so hellbent on this particular technology, if they didn't see how relatively recent progress changed that curve of expertise for radio, electric engineering, all engineering, computer science, automobiles, home appliances, and what not. So they see this consistently works for 25+ years.
So they work to deprive us of practice that allows to do more in all those directions. There's a moat that could as well be an abyss between what we know and what we'd need to know to make relevant things. That moat wasn't there 25 years ago. The path from a novice computer user to someone knowing all DOS interrupts and what DMA and IRQ are was less than the path from a novice computer user today to making a simple GUI application.
(I've got executive dysfunction, so feel these things more, but I'm certain they are true.)
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I don't care about copyrights. I care about content.
If we didn't have copyright then people wouldn't be able to justify putting effort into creating content because they wouldn't be guaranteed financial compensation for the time and effort they put in.
Everything costs money, If I'm writing a novel I still have to pay the bills I still have to buy groceries I still have to pay for water and electricity I need to be compensated for my time.
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I don't care about copyrights. I care about content.
Well, that's one take I guess... Not a good one, but one none the less...
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Or, more broadly, when individuals are recognized as valued participants in the community rather than obsolete expenses to try and scratch off the books.
Realistically I can’t see either of those things happening.
Not under current business and political leadership, no. But with a strong union movement leading a next generation of working class people... maybe.
What about the transition.
Because this will take time to happen, and the thing about not eating because you have literally no money, is it's a rather immediate concern. You can't just wait a decade or so for everyone to sort it out.
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If we didn't have copyright then people wouldn't be able to justify putting effort into creating content because they wouldn't be guaranteed financial compensation for the time and effort they put in.
Everything costs money, If I'm writing a novel I still have to pay the bills I still have to buy groceries I still have to pay for water and electricity I need to be compensated for my time.
I have needs and wants as well. I hope you get paid well. But when you stand in the path of something I think to be progress then we conflict.
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I have needs and wants as well. I hope you get paid well. But when you stand in the path of something I think to be progress then we conflict.
I'm not standing in your path of success, fiscal reality is. If you want your utopia future by all means, but you need to actually come up with a solution.
Making naive comments online isn't a stance, it's just declaring to the world you don't know what you're talking about.
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Do you really not see the difference between food/shelter, things that you WILL die without, and employment?
The only reason you need the latter for the former (and I mean, no you don't but whatever) is because of how society is set up.
Your body doesn't shut down if you don't clock in to your job for X days.
Well it kind of does because if I don't have a job then I don't get money, And I need that to buy things like food and shelter. And yes that's because of the way society is set up but since it's the way every single society on Earth is set up, I think we have a problem.
There has never been a culture on Earth at any point in history that didn't have some version of money.
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I'm not standing in your path of success, fiscal reality is. If you want your utopia future by all means, but you need to actually come up with a solution.
Making naive comments online isn't a stance, it's just declaring to the world you don't know what you're talking about.
I know what I want. I don't have to care that you think you should stand in the way of people creating new things. If they're not copying your work then it's not a problem. If they buy your book and use it to train an AI that is ethically fine. I don't support the growth of intellectual property laws.
And I don't buy for a second that the world is a better place with artists all fighting to be the next best seller or financially stable painter. The world will turn people will create and I'll argue until I day I die that the best content ever is the stuff nobody is looking to profit from. That's the stuff that is actually created from a place that's pure creativity
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Tell me you've never seen a Studio Ghibli movie without telling me you've never seen a single Studio Ghibli movie. Literally every one of them contains some "advancing technology isn't necessarily a good thing and the old ways have value" message. If AI were in one of their movies, it's be a oozing black oil demon monstrosity spitting soot into the air.
It'd be like Banksy doing advertisement for Nestle. It's just so contrary to the message they put out.
A message about technology isn't the same as labeling AI as "an insult to life itself."
This guy simply sound like a bigot. His studio is going to rely on AI in any case through the software they are using. If they use photoshop they are already using AI.
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Well it kind of does because if I don't have a job then I don't get money, And I need that to buy things like food and shelter. And yes that's because of the way society is set up but since it's the way every single society on Earth is set up, I think we have a problem.
There has never been a culture on Earth at any point in history that didn't have some version of money.
I know what you were saying, but you've missed the point.
There has never been a culture on Earth at any point in history that didn't have some version of money.
What? Of course there has.
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Bigoted against what?? A machine? The money grubbing assholes who are using those machines to profit on other people's work without giving them a dime in compensation? Who the hell are you defending here?
Studio Ghibli and their artists put in millions of hours collectively to create works if absolute art. Sam Altman just borrowed millions of dollars to rip them off.
Bigoted against a tool that is going to change the industry and digital art, the same way computers did back in the day.
If you throw AI at your hand draw 20 frames per second you are going to get the smoothest film ever and that's just a stupid example. You can use AI for a thousand things already from the story boards to your final work.
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Yes, only one thing can be an "insult to life". GOOD point.
I think we all agree here that japanese work ethics are shit
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If we didn't have copyright then people wouldn't be able to justify putting effort into creating content because they wouldn't be guaranteed financial compensation for the time and effort they put in.
Everything costs money, If I'm writing a novel I still have to pay the bills I still have to buy groceries I still have to pay for water and electricity I need to be compensated for my time.
If we didn't have copyright then people wouldn't be able to justify putting effort into creating content because they wouldn't be guaranteed financial compensation for the time and effort they put in.
The irony of saying this on Lemmy. Lemmy is piece of software developed and distributed for free to people who host it for free. If somebody truly wants to make something they will create it even without profit incentive.
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Miyazaki is my favorite angry old man.
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Next you're going to tell me using someones artstyle to depict someone getting deported is not appropriate for the white house twitter
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You think you could?
I think the minute it gets popular the lawyers start getting paid
Ever hear of Avalanches? Their music is incredible and it's made entirely from samples, including some from well known artists such as the Beatles.
Though they are kind of the exception as their second album took 16 years to complete, in no small part due to asking permission for every sample.
But there's entire genres of music that either utilize samples, or are literally constructed completely from them.
Girl Talk is another one that comes to mind. It's pretty much entire albums full of mashups.
DJ Shadow is a legend who, I believe, only uses vinyl for sampling.
Hip hop would not have survived without sampling. Listen to Madlib and J Dilla. Check out Wu-Tang Clan and listen to some of RZA's beats.
Check out MF DOOM's producer alter ego (Metal Fingers). Dude put out an entire series of instrumental tracks made using samples called "Special Herbs," that both he and other hip hop artists have used for backing tracks.
Beastie Boys were one of the first to do it with Paul's Boutique.
I would bet that the majority of music that's out there that is sample-based has not been approved by the original owners of the pieces. They only really get targeted if it becomes popular, which is why Avalanches chose to go the route of getting approvals.
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The way Altman whines about how much he should be allowed to steal people's work to feed his bottom line, I have no doubt whatsoever that this is the case.
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The bigger problem here is the loss of jobs and we are talking about a huge loss of employment that will affect economies really hard. The future looks more and more bleak.
This is why I still have a coal furnace to heat my house. So many people just use furnaces without thinking of the displaced economic value.
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What about the transition.
Because this will take time to happen, and the thing about not eating because you have literally no money, is it's a rather immediate concern. You can't just wait a decade or so for everyone to sort it out.
What about the transition.
It'll likely be a bloodsoaked mess, given the history of these things.
