'An Insult To Life Itself': Hayao Miyazaki’s AI Criticism Resurfaces As OpenAI’s Ghibli-Style Image Trend Takes Over Social Media
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The bigger problem here is the loss of jobs and we are talking about a huge loss of employment that will affect economies really hard.
I would say that's a tangential problem. Because, you know, in theory...
But the deeper problem is ultimately in expertise as a learned skill developed over time and through practice. If you're de-skilling work, you're dismantling the tools by which we train the next generation of artists and production crews. If we were just replacing humans with machines for some route manual labor (like Pixar replaced Disney's old hand drawn animations with a newer CGI look), the result would be a new style and perhaps less tendentious from route reproductions.
But we're gutting the whole process of development which means you're losing the pool of skilled professionals who know how to create CGI (or even flip-book style 60s animation) from first principles. That means sacrificing whole fields of specialized expertise for... what? This?
I've seen pretty much the same thing happening in the programming space. In another 10 years there's going to be a massive shortage of senior programmers who are capable of doing anything more complicated than the AI, and able to sort out the messes everyone's creating with it.
All the companies not wanting to hire entry level programmers right now is also a big problem for those starting now. I can only hope companies realize AI is not a replacement for a human's learning ability.
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"A real labor of love"
Christ. It's like people cosplaying as real artists.
I'm not sure Sam Altman even knows what labor is.
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Better content?
Lol
Lmao even.Absolutely. The Internet pre monetization was way better than anything today.
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Absolutely. The Internet pre monetization was way better than anything today.
I agree with this, but I don't think we'll ever be able to have that again. AI slop is drowning out all the genuine content regardless of monetization.
What's the incentive to put hours of effort into something if nobody will ever see it because every hour another 1000 AI versions were generated and they're all "close enough" to fool someone not paying attention? -
These people from the Silicon Valley see themselves as the saviours of mankind (look up Longtermism in Silicon Valley). Within their structure of believe anything is within reason as long as it serves the greater good. That includes anything from obviously breaking the law to outright genocide, which we see in action right now.
Of course since their moral code is already eroded to its core there are no boundaries, like "I shouldn't molest other people"…
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So was it trained on his work without his approval?
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If we didn't have copyright then people wouldn't be able to justify putting effort into creating content because they wouldn't be guaranteed financial compensation for the time and effort they put in.
The irony of saying this on Lemmy. Lemmy is piece of software developed and distributed for free to people who host it for free. If somebody truly wants to make something they will create it even without profit incentive.
Scale Lemmy to the size of Reddit and we'll see if good Samaritans are still willing to host it for free.
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I know what I want. I don't have to care that you think you should stand in the way of people creating new things. If they're not copying your work then it's not a problem. If they buy your book and use it to train an AI that is ethically fine. I don't support the growth of intellectual property laws.
And I don't buy for a second that the world is a better place with artists all fighting to be the next best seller or financially stable painter. The world will turn people will create and I'll argue until I day I die that the best content ever is the stuff nobody is looking to profit from. That's the stuff that is actually created from a place that's pure creativity
So the best books are the ones that never get published? The Best music is free on Soundcloud? The best movies are freely available on Peertube?
Your realize that in order to achieve greatness in a field it takes time, if artists can't live from their art because anyone is free to just make copy of it and to sell it and keep the profit to themselves then instead of making art they'll have to find another job instead.
You might believe that AI will replace them, but AI doesn't understand what it's doing it just regurgitates stuff until the person asking for it finds it good enough. It lacks the will to generate emotions in the viewer or listener.
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So the best books are the ones that never get published? The Best music is free on Soundcloud? The best movies are freely available on Peertube?
Your realize that in order to achieve greatness in a field it takes time, if artists can't live from their art because anyone is free to just make copy of it and to sell it and keep the profit to themselves then instead of making art they'll have to find another job instead.
You might believe that AI will replace them, but AI doesn't understand what it's doing it just regurgitates stuff until the person asking for it finds it good enough. It lacks the will to generate emotions in the viewer or listener.
Yea, I believe those are the best.
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Yea, I believe those are the best.
Bull fucking shit, you know as well as I do that your point doesn't make sense.
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Bull fucking shit, you know as well as I do that your point doesn't make sense.
My point makes sense. What doesn't make sense
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I know what I want. I don't have to care that you think you should stand in the way of people creating new things. If they're not copying your work then it's not a problem. If they buy your book and use it to train an AI that is ethically fine. I don't support the growth of intellectual property laws.
And I don't buy for a second that the world is a better place with artists all fighting to be the next best seller or financially stable painter. The world will turn people will create and I'll argue until I day I die that the best content ever is the stuff nobody is looking to profit from. That's the stuff that is actually created from a place that's pure creativity
It must be nice to go through the world and be so sure something so utterly stupid. Who cares about reality, I have FEELINGS.
Seriously no you've completely failed to listen to literally anything that I said. Give me an example of a novel that was Self-Published that is better than anything that was commercially available.
By definition anything that's good enough to make money makes money.
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The bigger problem here is the loss of jobs and we are talking about a huge loss of employment that will affect economies really hard.
I would say that's a tangential problem. Because, you know, in theory...
But the deeper problem is ultimately in expertise as a learned skill developed over time and through practice. If you're de-skilling work, you're dismantling the tools by which we train the next generation of artists and production crews. If we were just replacing humans with machines for some route manual labor (like Pixar replaced Disney's old hand drawn animations with a newer CGI look), the result would be a new style and perhaps less tendentious from route reproductions.
But we're gutting the whole process of development which means you're losing the pool of skilled professionals who know how to create CGI (or even flip-book style 60s animation) from first principles. That means sacrificing whole fields of specialized expertise for... what? This?
Reminds me of how millennials and generations onward have learned less and less maintainence skills to the point where most of us can't sow or fix shit if it's broken because we grew up in a consumer culture where you just buy a new one when the old one breaks. The quality of products have decreased too so they break quicker which gives people incentive to buy a new one instead of fixing.
My parents generation hold on to old items and they patch up their clothes and know how to fix shit around the house but they didn't teach me any of that because the culture shifted and it wasn't really needed.
We are not only losing skills and tactile learning and understanding, we are also rapidly torpedoing out planet into a massive trash heap. Which is a bit of a duh, I know, but still.
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Do you really not see the difference between food/shelter, things that you WILL die without, and employment?
The only reason you need the latter for the former (and I mean, no you don't but whatever) is because of how society is set up.
Your body doesn't shut down if you don't clock in to your job for X days.
I mean technically you are correct, but more in the "it's not the fall that kills me, but the landing" kind of way.
My body doesn't shut down because I don't clock in, it shuts down because I don't have any food due to not clocking in.
And yes, the only reason I need to work is because how our society's are set up. But guess what? I'm living in that society ^bottomtext^ so I can't exactly get away from it. Unless I have loads of, you guessed it, money.
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These people from the Silicon Valley see themselves as the saviours of mankind (look up Longtermism in Silicon Valley). Within their structure of believe anything is within reason as long as it serves the greater good. That includes anything from obviously breaking the law to outright genocide, which we see in action right now.
Of course since their moral code is already eroded to its core there are no boundaries, like "I shouldn't molest other people"…
But one of the biggest issue with these people is the total disconnect from actual normal life and communities. They see everything as computer program or tech device.
Just like that millionaire trying to extend his life with thousand dollars worth of pills a month and daily schedules impossible to normal working people. When what research has shown is that people who live the longest have plant based diets and are active members of their communities.
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My point makes sense. What doesn't make sense
"The best art is the one created by people who get no recognition for it"
Do you also believe the best houses are built by people who have no training in how to build them?
"Stop paying artists and people will keep creating"
They will, they won't be able to spend the time required to become masters at it unless they're already rich enough not to have to spend time working. It's also the same thing here, let's stop paying plumbers, people who like doing plumbing will just continue doing it. Let's stop paying garbage people, someone will keep doing it because they like it... Oh wait, no they won't.
https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-into-bear-book-review-free-town-project
People deserve a form of compensation for their work if we want to live in functioning societies. If we go back to living in small tribes then sure, people will just do what they must without compensation because it's required to survive, but then human population would be in the millions instead of billions and we wouldn't be here to talk about it because the technology wouldn't exist anymore.
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Since when do rich billionaires care about consent??
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I mean technically you are correct, but more in the "it's not the fall that kills me, but the landing" kind of way.
My body doesn't shut down because I don't clock in, it shuts down because I don't have any food due to not clocking in.
And yes, the only reason I need to work is because how our society's are set up. But guess what? I'm living in that society ^bottomtext^ so I can't exactly get away from it. Unless I have loads of, you guessed it, money.
Why do we have to go backwards? We're the most technologically advanced that we've ever been.
Your brain has just been rotted by capitalism.
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I'm not sure Sam Altman even knows what labor is.
Oh God I just thought that was some random "AI artist." It's so much more cringe now that you've brought my attention to who posted it.
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So was it trained on his work without his approval?
Everything was. Is ...
