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What is your most "Fuck you, this is actually awesome?" take?

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    I actually want to get a pick-up truck for furniture, not like one of these road monsters, but something reasonable, like a 2 seater with lots a bed space. Like an old Chevy or something.

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    Get a van instead. Don't start becoming part of the problem.

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      What is no man's sky

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      A space exploration video game. It had a famously bad launch, because the director had over-promised on basically every single feature. It was massively anticipated because the director had hyped it up so much. And when it launched, players quickly discovered that many of the promised features were only half finished, or were missing entirely. The backlash was swift, but the company said they planned to keep working on the game.

      And now many years later, the game is actually fairly solid, and basically meets the original promises. But at launch, it definitely didn’t.

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        The fact you think all art is predicated on what came before is absolutely stupid.

        If thats true, there would never have been anything new created. Ai slop generators CANT make anything new because they are limited on their (massively) illegally scraped input.

        Also thinking that originality and human experience are capitalist myths is quite humorous, that is a new take.

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        it can be true and new things can be created, and if you understood how large systems of data worked you would clearly understand how these aren’t mutually exclusive. creativity is different from originality. one is real, the other doesn’t actually exist.

        please, name even a single piece of media that is wholly original from all of human history. i’ll wait. there isn’t one. everything takes pieces of everything else.

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          I dunno, chief. That "small" red truck is big as well. And the stuff in there will still get wet. Much more practical to have a van.

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          Oh completely agree - but if forced to choose between those two types of trucks I know which one I'd say is more reasonable.

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            Not a truck guy, but I've had enough vans to know that not having an open top REALLY reduces the potential of what you can put in the back.

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            Well, that's clearly bull. They got the same space and on top of that, they provide cover. Opens up a lot more options for stuff that shouldn't get wet.

            And likewise, you can also park easier with them (they have back windows too). Plus, they are safer. If stuff sticks out of the car that's a transport hazard right there.

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            • eponymousbosh@awful.systemsE [email protected]

              Steven Universe. The online fandom was insane. The actual show was incredible.

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              Yeah, the fandom is… Not great. It’s basically just an American anime, but the online fans are rabid.

              It honestly reminds me of the fandom for Undertale. If you only ever play the game, you’ll have a wonderful time. But if you ever do some online searches to try to dig into it further or find people to discuss it with, you’ll quickly discover that the online fandom is extremely toxic.

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              • R [email protected]

                Vibe coding has a niche, which is people who can read, understand, and debug code, but can't remember the syntax or can't be arsed to write everything manually. It's good for blocking in right now, basically, and that's an entirely valid use of the technology

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                #120

                Yes please.

                • I’ve found ai useful as a tool especially when switching context to a different language or framework, as a quicker way to get the syntax and features, to generate a first approximation. It works and saves time
                • vibe coding is a horrendous waste of my time doing code reviews. Don’t people look at the slop their tool generates and try to refine it? Why is it ok to waste my time like this?

                Edit: just did yet another code review generated with “vibe coding” and there is so much slop that will create maintainability issues in the future - did everyone forget the truism that code is much more expensive to maintain than to create? So much duplicated code, misleading names, useless and excessive tests, hard-coded strings duplicated, etc. …… and I found an entire generated function very close to identical to one the same guy already created

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                • scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techS [email protected]

                  Oh completely agree - but if forced to choose between those two types of trucks I know which one I'd say is more reasonable.

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                  I mean, sure, but I were forced to pick I'd rather bring both to the scrapyard and get a bike instead. Or a van, but yeah. Choosing the lesser evil over time will lead to the actually good options getting eliminated.

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                    Lookout guys, its a prompt "engineer"!

                    My 5 year old niece is a prompt "engineer" too.

                    If you want art to have absolutely zero humanity in it, gobble up all the slop you want.

                    You are correct about the end stage capitalism component. But if youre truly a "prompt engineer" you should know running a local model doesnt at all unlink you from massive data sucking corps, because who do you think trained that model?

                    For the record I will also say that painting a picture DOES take more invested skill than a photograph, and I will respect the person who painted a scene vs took a picture of it WAY more. Now, both can be enjoyed by anyone, and thats fine.

                    I'll have absolutely 0 respect for any image made using ai. Its a toy, and a tool for corporations to further cut costs where they want to the most (take out the pesky humans and gross empathy, ick!)

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                    i honestly stopped reading after you called my job prompt engineering.

                    machine learning has been a specialization for well over a century. i have a master’s degree in it, im an expert on the topic and am certain what i do is not “prompt engineering.”

                    do you think LLMs like ChatGPT just sprung out of the ground like plants? people had to design those. even if you don’t like them figuring out how to build one is engineering, doubtlessly so. using a tool that has been engineered isn’t engineering, obviously, but i’m not going to further entertain this strawmanning.

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                      What I mean is like, what do you think is unironically awesome, even if people now think its cringe or stupid?

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                      Speed Racer (2008)

                      Uniquely colorful, silly, wholesome, every single one of its frames oozes style and creativity. It's exactly what an animated adaptation should aim to be and will forever stand out against the blue and orange, brown and bloom palettes that plagued that era of media.

                      It's simply so visually exciting and fun.

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                        Vibe coding has a niche, which is people who can read, understand, and debug code, but can't remember the syntax or can't be arsed to write everything manually. It's good for blocking in right now, basically, and that's an entirely valid use of the technology

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                        Yeah, vibe coding is fantastic for “I want to give this input {a}, have it do {function}, and return result {z}” types of code.

                        The issue is that being able to articulate that to an AI already basically requires you to think like a programmer. And many of the people getting into vibe coding don’t have that kind of mindset. They want to just go “give me a program that does {z}” and expect it to work.

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                        • F [email protected]

                          I agree with 95% of FuckCars. Cars should not be the default in our society. Cars are at the root of why our cities suck so bad. We need to do as much as we can towards walkability, bikability, and public transportation. Cars won't go away completely, but they don't have to be so prevalent.

                          The 5% where FuckCars goes wrong is people who don't know anything about cars talking about cars. Their treatment of trucks vs vans is one of those. Vans are useful for trades, and so are trucks. Let the workers decide which one they prefer for their job.

                          Those workers usually don't need an F150 the size of a small house. They don't even want an F150 the size of a small house. That doesn't mean a van is necessarily what they want.

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                          Well, I've atleast got the two seater with a long bed so it's barely adequate for what I need it for at work. It's undeniable that a similar size Vivaro or Transporter would be more practical but I'm willing to trade some of that for a fun truck.

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                            Well, that's clearly bull. They got the same space and on top of that, they provide cover. Opens up a lot more options for stuff that shouldn't get wet.

                            And likewise, you can also park easier with them (they have back windows too). Plus, they are safer. If stuff sticks out of the car that's a transport hazard right there.

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                            Ok, but it's clearly not. On more than one occasion, I've loaded up large appliances or furniture with a van only to learn that it won't fit through the back hatch, or there are cubbies and curves inside that cut the corners. Even if you have plenty of empty space inside, you have to fit it through a smaller keyhole. I have been stuck with a half empty back and a tied down hatch because the opening wasn't big enough to get the whole thing in.

                            With an open bed truck you can just drop the tailgate or drop it in from above.

                            I can tell you have a real hard on for vans, but just ignoring facts because they don't fit your stance is ignorant. I've never even owned a truck, so I don't care about defending their honor or any bullshit like that, but you have to give them credit where it's due, and they haul like nothing else, even vans.

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                              You normally cook salami?

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                              Nooo…I would've sworn that was a burger.

                              That was the most appalling part, for me: I thought they'd just slapped a whole raw patty on top everything.

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                                Just get a van instead, bro. They're way more practical.

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                                I literally have one, why does someone have to say that every time. There are reasons to have a truck.

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                                  My main gripe with TLJ is that the editing is a total mess. Multiple scenes lose continuity between shots. The most egregious example is the milk scene, which in addition to being gross and unnecessary, was clearly jammed in between two shots meant to be continuous. Rey and Luke start walking down a skinny peninsula, no space cow in sight, then hard cut to space cow and Luke milking it, then hard cut back to the end of the peninsula and Luke setting down his stuff.

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                                  You know we drink milk from COWS right?

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                                    Lookout guys, its a prompt "engineer"!

                                    My 5 year old niece is a prompt "engineer" too.

                                    If you want art to have absolutely zero humanity in it, gobble up all the slop you want.

                                    You are correct about the end stage capitalism component. But if youre truly a "prompt engineer" you should know running a local model doesnt at all unlink you from massive data sucking corps, because who do you think trained that model?

                                    For the record I will also say that painting a picture DOES take more invested skill than a photograph, and I will respect the person who painted a scene vs took a picture of it WAY more. Now, both can be enjoyed by anyone, and thats fine.

                                    I'll have absolutely 0 respect for any image made using ai. Its a toy, and a tool for corporations to further cut costs where they want to the most (take out the pesky humans and gross empathy, ick!)

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                                    The skill that it takes to produce something is a horrible, horrible metric for what makes something good art or not. There are artworks that took tons of skill but are boring, bland, generic, emotionless - all the things you don't like about AI art. There are artworks that took next to no skill but stand out as powerful, great works that resonate with everyone.

                                    Skill is a proxy used to judge art in place of having developed taste. The purpose of art is not to show off, to flex your skill, or demonstrate technical superiority to others. This is a very sad, utilitarian, economic view of art that I beg you to reconsider.

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                                      Speed Racer (2008)

                                      Uniquely colorful, silly, wholesome, every single one of its frames oozes style and creativity. It's exactly what an animated adaptation should aim to be and will forever stand out against the blue and orange, brown and bloom palettes that plagued that era of media.

                                      It's simply so visually exciting and fun.

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                                      https://youtu.be/vwh9ETdhrf4

                                      This was the video essay that won me over to that film.

                                      Also this video (much shorter) is just funny: https://youtu.be/WC0YAJR6xQQ

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                                        That looks like a huge truck, there's nothing small about it.

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                                        Its an old Ford Ranger:

                                        Ford Ranger

                                        The animation does make it look a bit wide.

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                                          What I mean is like, what do you think is unironically awesome, even if people now think its cringe or stupid?

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                                          Twinkies. The perfect dessert.

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