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  • atomicpoet@atomicpoet.orgA [email protected]

    Hashtags do not replace groups.

    No one moderates them. They’re easy to hijack and spam. And there’s simply no permanence to them.

    Which is why, if you actually want to discuss something, it’s better to tag a group. For example, if you want to be part of an actual PC gaming community on the Fediverse, it’s better to tag @[email protected] than #pcgaming.

    This needs to be common knowledge because people new to the Fediverse do not know about groups. Hell, I’d say people who have had Mastodon accounts for years still don’t know. And that’s a shame.

    @[email protected]

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    @atomicpoet @fediverse TBH I think a lot of people (including me) have a very sketchy idea of how the different bits of the Fediverse link together... I'm still a bit vague about how my #Mastodon and #Pixelfed accounts could work better together.

    There's a lot of *assumed knowledge* about the #Fediverse ... and people don't want to ask 'stupid' questions because they don't want to 'look stupid'. There needs to be easily accessible and explicit step by step instructions *to get people started*.

    Where could I find a group about #ux or #humancentredesign for example? Or #photography ?

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    • atomicpoet@atomicpoet.orgA [email protected]

      Hashtags do not replace groups.

      No one moderates them. They’re easy to hijack and spam. And there’s simply no permanence to them.

      Which is why, if you actually want to discuss something, it’s better to tag a group. For example, if you want to be part of an actual PC gaming community on the Fediverse, it’s better to tag @[email protected] than #pcgaming.

      This needs to be common knowledge because people new to the Fediverse do not know about groups. Hell, I’d say people who have had Mastodon accounts for years still don’t know. And that’s a shame.

      @[email protected]

      deegeese@sopuli.xyzD This user is from outside of this forum
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      #3

      Communities are for Lemmy and hashtags are for Mastodon.

      They each make sense in their proper context.

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      • coolmccool@mastodon.auC [email protected]

        @atomicpoet @fediverse TBH I think a lot of people (including me) have a very sketchy idea of how the different bits of the Fediverse link together... I'm still a bit vague about how my #Mastodon and #Pixelfed accounts could work better together.

        There's a lot of *assumed knowledge* about the #Fediverse ... and people don't want to ask 'stupid' questions because they don't want to 'look stupid'. There needs to be easily accessible and explicit step by step instructions *to get people started*.

        Where could I find a group about #ux or #humancentredesign for example? Or #photography ?

        atomicpoet@atomicpoet.orgA This user is from outside of this forum
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        @[email protected] @[email protected] The best way to explain #Pixelfed is that it’s an Instagram-like front-end for the Fediverse. But practically speaking, it’s Mastodon if pictures were a requirement on Mastodon. You interact with a Pixelfed account from Mastodon in much the same way you interact with another Mastodon account, or how you’re interacting with my Akkoma account right now. It really is just like email.

        Regarding group topics, the best way to find them is to do a search on a place like lemmy.world or lemmy.ca. For example, [email protected] is one. And you can find the URL here:

        https://programming.dev/c/uiux

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        • coolmccool@mastodon.auC [email protected]

          @atomicpoet @fediverse TBH I think a lot of people (including me) have a very sketchy idea of how the different bits of the Fediverse link together... I'm still a bit vague about how my #Mastodon and #Pixelfed accounts could work better together.

          There's a lot of *assumed knowledge* about the #Fediverse ... and people don't want to ask 'stupid' questions because they don't want to 'look stupid'. There needs to be easily accessible and explicit step by step instructions *to get people started*.

          Where could I find a group about #ux or #humancentredesign for example? Or #photography ?

          steve@communick.newsS This user is from outside of this forum
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          I have literally zero interest in cross pollination between social media types.
          They each have their own interfaces that work best for their communities and content types. You're always missing something trying to access one from another.

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          • steve@communick.newsS [email protected]

            I have literally zero interest in cross pollination between social media types.
            They each have their own interfaces that work best for their communities and content types. You're always missing something trying to access one from another.

            shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lolS This user is from outside of this forum
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            If you have zero interest in the fundamental architecture of the fediverse, why are you in this community? You're probably interacting with "cross pollination" way more than you realize.

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            • shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lolS [email protected]

              If you have zero interest in the fundamental architecture of the fediverse, why are you in this community? You're probably interacting with "cross pollination" way more than you realize.

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              For real. He replied to my Akkoma post, which tagged this Lemmy group. 😆

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              • deegeese@sopuli.xyzD [email protected]

                Communities are for Lemmy and hashtags are for Mastodon.

                They each make sense in their proper context.

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                What if I told you that you can use Lemmy with Mastodon right now—and that many people do?

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                • atomicpoet@atomicpoet.orgA [email protected]

                  Hashtags do not replace groups.

                  No one moderates them. They’re easy to hijack and spam. And there’s simply no permanence to them.

                  Which is why, if you actually want to discuss something, it’s better to tag a group. For example, if you want to be part of an actual PC gaming community on the Fediverse, it’s better to tag @[email protected] than #pcgaming.

                  This needs to be common knowledge because people new to the Fediverse do not know about groups. Hell, I’d say people who have had Mastodon accounts for years still don’t know. And that’s a shame.

                  @[email protected]

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                  #9

                  The tricky part is, the group-supporting fediverse software and the microblogging software need to improve how they interact for this to be as good as it could be.

                  Right now Mastodon barely supports group users/actors/accounts, however they're called, translating stuff from Lemmy's format in a rather clunky way. Meanwhile Lemmy also has to roughly translate Mastodon's format to its own, working pretty well all things considering, but leaving clear artifacts (subject line/first line repeating, community mention remaining shown, etc.).

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                  • atomicpoet@atomicpoet.orgA [email protected]

                    Hashtags do not replace groups.

                    No one moderates them. They’re easy to hijack and spam. And there’s simply no permanence to them.

                    Which is why, if you actually want to discuss something, it’s better to tag a group. For example, if you want to be part of an actual PC gaming community on the Fediverse, it’s better to tag @[email protected] than #pcgaming.

                    This needs to be common knowledge because people new to the Fediverse do not know about groups. Hell, I’d say people who have had Mastodon accounts for years still don’t know. And that’s a shame.

                    @[email protected]

                    bendoubleu@lemmy.radioB This user is from outside of this forum
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                    I’m all for it as long as people know that posting on something like mastodon and tagging a lemmy community will then make a post in that community. Could make for great discussions, but could also lead to a lot of posts/spam in the communities.

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                      The tricky part is, the group-supporting fediverse software and the microblogging software need to improve how they interact for this to be as good as it could be.

                      Right now Mastodon barely supports group users/actors/accounts, however they're called, translating stuff from Lemmy's format in a rather clunky way. Meanwhile Lemmy also has to roughly translate Mastodon's format to its own, working pretty well all things considering, but leaving clear artifacts (subject line/first line repeating, community mention remaining shown, etc.).

                      atomicpoet@atomicpoet.orgA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @[email protected] With time, that stuff will be ironed out. Group support is in Mastodon’s road map. Now Mastodon develops very slowly, so take that with a grain of salt. But the point is that groups are coming to Mastodon… eventually.

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                      • bendoubleu@lemmy.radioB [email protected]

                        I’m all for it as long as people know that posting on something like mastodon and tagging a lemmy community will then make a post in that community. Could make for great discussions, but could also lead to a lot of posts/spam in the communities.

                        atomicpoet@atomicpoet.orgA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @[email protected] But again, a big reason I recommend groups over hashtags is because you can remove spam from a group, whereas with a hashtag, you cannot.

                        So… will that increase spam? Not if moderators actually do their jobs.

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                        • shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lolS [email protected]

                          If you have zero interest in the fundamental architecture of the fediverse, why are you in this community? You're probably interacting with "cross pollination" way more than you realize.

                          steve@communick.newsS This user is from outside of this forum
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                          I follow topics and have discussions on Lemmy, keep up with individuals and announcements on Mastodon, and look at cool photos on Pixelfed.
                          None of my accounts are following anything on other systems.

                          The reason I'm in this community is for discussions like this. We disagree on the nature of using he fundamental architecture of the Fediverse.
                          I think using Mastodon to engage in Lemmy discussions is extremely awkward without the threading to keep it all organized. Equally, Lemmy is designed specifically around following communities. Following individuals on Mastodon breaks the pattern of the feed. And good luck following either Mastodon accounts or Lemmy groups in Pixelfed.

                          However, having multiple decentralized servers within each system, is plenty of reason for the Fediverse to be better than a centralized platform.

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                            For real. He replied to my Akkoma post, which tagged this Lemmy group. 😆

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                            Which I would never respond to on Mastodon, as it's terrible for discussions.

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                            • atomicpoet@atomicpoet.orgA [email protected]

                              @[email protected] But again, a big reason I recommend groups over hashtags is because you can remove spam from a group, whereas with a hashtag, you cannot.

                              So… will that increase spam? Not if moderators actually do their jobs.

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                              As an instance owner and moderator: that’s a horrible way to look at things. Just throwing the onus onto someone else is irresponsible.

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                              • steve@communick.newsS [email protected]

                                Which I would never respond to on Mastodon, as it's terrible for discussions.

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                                Mastodon is terrible for topical discussions because people don’t use groups. But they can if they knew how to use them.

                                Now you may say the system was not designed for cross-pollination, but the fundamental system is not Mastodon, and it’s not Lemmy: it’s ActivityPub.

                                Now do all these apps implement ActivityPub imperfectly? Yes. But eventually, some app will get it right—ideally one that will let you choose your preferred UI/UX on the fly.

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                                  What if I told you that you can use Lemmy with Mastodon right now—and that many people do?

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                                  I have heard of the opposite. Mastodon users can see and comment on lemmy posts, but i have yet to discover how to view mastodon post from lemmy.

                                  If it is indeed possible can you or anyone elaborate how to?

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                                  • A [email protected]

                                    Mastodon is terrible for topical discussions because people don’t use groups. But they can if they knew how to use them.

                                    Now you may say the system was not designed for cross-pollination, but the fundamental system is not Mastodon, and it’s not Lemmy: it’s ActivityPub.

                                    Now do all these apps implement ActivityPub imperfectly? Yes. But eventually, some app will get it right—ideally one that will let you choose your preferred UI/UX on the fly.

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                                    That would be cool. Might be useful.

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                                    • W [email protected]

                                      I have heard of the opposite. Mastodon users can see and comment on lemmy posts, but i have yet to discover how to view mastodon post from lemmy.

                                      If it is indeed possible can you or anyone elaborate how to?

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                                      The mastadon user posting the thing needs to tag the Lemmy community in their post and then it will show up like any other post on Lemmy. You wouldn't even know it's from Mastodon unless they said so in the post.

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                                      • A [email protected]

                                        What if I told you that you can use Lemmy with Mastodon right now—and that many people do?

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                                        You're not the first to suggest it, but I still haven't seen anyone do more than linking one from the other. This feels as inconsequential as posting a Twitter screenshot on Reddit. Is there a deeper integration possible?

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                                        • deegeese@sopuli.xyzD [email protected]

                                          You're not the first to suggest it, but I still haven't seen anyone do more than linking one from the other. This feels as inconsequential as posting a Twitter screenshot on Reddit. Is there a deeper integration possible?

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                                          @deegeese @atomicpoet

                                          I saw this discussion on Lemmy, searched for it with my Mastodon client and, wow, it works! (I guess, we'll see after I hit SEND)

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