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Is Canada joining the EU? Brussels hails ‘like-minded partners’ amid trade war with US

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  • krik@lemmy.dbzer0.comK [email protected]

    Not sure if that could work. It's also a question about culture and values.
    And sorry to say this dear Canadians: You are at least partly americanized.

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    Please elaborate

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      I believe that it has been violated recently, so is no longer strictly valid.

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      Violated?

      As far as I understand, the vast majority of the agreement is already fully in effect, with a few loose ends still tied up in EU member states' legislatures.

      Canadian businesses have just never really had a good reason to take advantage of the new trade rules until recently. Canadians might start noticing an increase in EU products range and availability over the next while.

      Technically, it is not a done deal, but practically speaking, it is. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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      • aleq@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

        I can't imagine it and my gut feeling is that it's a terrible idea for the same reason as having the US be our military was a terrible idea. Geolocation matters, and Canadas location means it has interests that are fundamentally different from the EU. A major thing is that it doesn't have Russia breathing down its neck.

        It also feels like a slippery slope where we'll eventually have Mexico and, god forbid, the US joining as well. Then suddenly the will of European countries is overshadowed by these North American giants.

        That said, Canada is cool and joining forces against the US is good.

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        Canada very much has Russia breathing down its neck.

        Look at a globe focused on the North Pole, and you will see that Russia, Canada, and Scandanavia all basically form a ring framing the Arctic ocean. Russia asserting itself in the Arctic is a major issue for us, and the situation could very well deteriorate as climate change intensifies.

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        • cygnus@lemmy.caC [email protected]

          Can't wait for Brazil to join the EU on that basis.

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          Aren't some parts of Outre-Mer France part of the EU, despite being located in the Carribean and South America?

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          • krik@lemmy.dbzer0.comK [email protected]

            Not sure if that could work. It's also a question about culture and values.
            And sorry to say this dear Canadians: You are at least partly americanized.

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            America is basically just a Europe expansion pack.

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              Interest in Canada joining the EU has increased amid US tensions, with 44% of Canadians supporting the idea. While the EU acknowledges shared values, Canada's geographic distance and historical precedent present challenges for membership.

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              Yes and Australia too

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                Interest in Canada joining the EU has increased amid US tensions, with 44% of Canadians supporting the idea. While the EU acknowledges shared values, Canada's geographic distance and historical precedent present challenges for membership.

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                I would fully welcome the Canadians and Canadiens into the EU. It means St. Pierre and Miquelon would not have a border anymore. Win win!!!

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                  Yes and Australia too

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                  Nah, Eurovision is enough. We are happy to be everyones mates and have access to their markets. Our focus is Asian markets and it hurts our interests enough that some in the region view us as a remnant of European colonialism without us leaning into that. We aren't colonial and we aren't European. We need to find our own identity. Unlike Canada we aren't heavily dependent on exports to the US and desperate to find a replacement. Our equivalent would be a trade war with China and we have already proved we can cope with that.

                  I am more concerned about the US alliance. If they can shit on Ukraine and by extension Europe all our strategic planning and defence investments are worthless overnight as we can't rely on parts, or support let alone US forces showing up.

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                    Nah, Eurovision is enough. We are happy to be everyones mates and have access to their markets. Our focus is Asian markets and it hurts our interests enough that some in the region view us as a remnant of European colonialism without us leaning into that. We aren't colonial and we aren't European. We need to find our own identity. Unlike Canada we aren't heavily dependent on exports to the US and desperate to find a replacement. Our equivalent would be a trade war with China and we have already proved we can cope with that.

                    I am more concerned about the US alliance. If they can shit on Ukraine and by extension Europe all our strategic planning and defence investments are worthless overnight as we can't rely on parts, or support let alone US forces showing up.

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                    We European would be happy to have you in, but unlike the US, we are not forcing someone to join. If Australia does not want to join, happy to have them in Eurovision only

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                      The EU is not a geographical union despite it's name. Even then, Canada and Europe share a common border; the Atlantic Ocean. Also it's part of the Commonwealth, Has a strong economy, social politics, The Greco-Roman and Judaeo-Christian tradition. And they speak the two most common European languages.
                      Canada makes more sense than Türkiye if you disregard distance.

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                      France's longest land border is with Brazil. Brazil has not been invited to the EU despite being the past home of the Portuguese throne which in a reverse colonialism move kind of makes Brazil a past European power and they speak a European language.

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                      • miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.comM [email protected]

                        Canada actually shares a land border with the EU.
                        There are so many regulatory hurdles, especially in farming and agriculture.

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                        Canada actually shares a land border with the EU.

                        Brazil has a stronger claim if that was is all that counted.

                        Georgia has no such claim but is a great candidate for EU membership.

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                          Interest in Canada joining the EU has increased amid US tensions, with 44% of Canadians supporting the idea. While the EU acknowledges shared values, Canada's geographic distance and historical precedent present challenges for membership.

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                          EU/Canadian dual citizen here: fill membership doesn't make sense. Deeper integration to the point of having a customs union would probably be quite reasonable. I'm not sure about free movement of people however because the two parties have different attitudes to immigration. Canada cherishes immigration and cultural diversity, and considers it to be a defining national characteristic. Multiculturalism is quite literally baked in our constitution. European attitudes on the other hand, let's just say, I don't miss them.

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                            The EU is not a geographical union despite it's name. Even then, Canada and Europe share a common border; the Atlantic Ocean. Also it's part of the Commonwealth, Has a strong economy, social politics, The Greco-Roman and Judaeo-Christian tradition. And they speak the two most common European languages.
                            Canada makes more sense than Türkiye if you disregard distance.

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                            One thing many Europeans tend to forget is that Islam is pretty much a European cultural tradition too. Kosovo, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Albania are European countries. If Cyprus were reunited it would also count as one of the countries with a significant Muslim population. And there are traditional non-immigrant Muslim minorities in other places, like Greece, Bulgaria and North Macedonia.

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                              Yeah, all for it.

                              We can thank Stephen Harper and Pierre Polievre for ignoring Europe for so long when we should have been there for you guys, helping you separate from Putin's oil and gas.

                              Hopefully Carney will remedy that situation, and we can all get rid of the despotic sycophants.

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                              Dead Eyes Harper signed CETA (European Free Trade Agreement) which was negotiated in private.

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                              • C [email protected]

                                Well, Greenland was an EU member, but they left. Can't remember when, but it was before brexit, so the UK wasn't the only, or even the first, to leave. Possibly the last though, as the appetite for leaving seems to have dropped significantly.

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                                I will never forget a conversation I had with some random Brit on Facebook before Brexit. He said to me, "You yanks don't know what it's like having your laws made for you by politicians you didn't vote for 500 miles away." In this hemisphere we call that Washington, D.C.

                                I mean, he had a point. What does a citizen of the American south know about secession, anyway?

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                                • theacharnian@lemmy.caT [email protected]

                                  EU/Canadian dual citizen here: fill membership doesn't make sense. Deeper integration to the point of having a customs union would probably be quite reasonable. I'm not sure about free movement of people however because the two parties have different attitudes to immigration. Canada cherishes immigration and cultural diversity, and considers it to be a defining national characteristic. Multiculturalism is quite literally baked in our constitution. European attitudes on the other hand, let's just say, I don't miss them.

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                                  I enjoy the "Canada can into EU?" memes, they're fun. It's also really nice that in this period of insanity we can help each other.

                                  That said, yeah. A trade agreement that drops basically all friction, bilateral visa agreements that make travel and business easier & cooperation on military purchases would be the ideal scenario. There's a ton of things the EU and Canada can help each other with without Canada becoming a member.

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                                    Interest in Canada joining the EU has increased amid US tensions, with 44% of Canadians supporting the idea. While the EU acknowledges shared values, Canada's geographic distance and historical precedent present challenges for membership.

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                                    As a Canadian, I support the idea of trade agreements with the EU, especially ones that could benefit our Indigenous communities. I support allyship with the EU. But I don’t want to be a part of the EU. We can’t ditch Mexico.

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                                    • barbarian@sh.itjust.worksB [email protected]

                                      I enjoy the "Canada can into EU?" memes, they're fun. It's also really nice that in this period of insanity we can help each other.

                                      That said, yeah. A trade agreement that drops basically all friction, bilateral visa agreements that make travel and business easier & cooperation on military purchases would be the ideal scenario. There's a ton of things the EU and Canada can help each other with without Canada becoming a member.

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                                      @Barbarian would be great if EU finds a „second class“ membership where we only have a good travel and economy system with other countries but not a full membership. But when we look at UK, who left the EU, and how we struggle to find the way back to each other it‘s quite hard to imagine something like that at the moment. 😫

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                                      • krik@lemmy.dbzer0.comK [email protected]

                                        Not sure if that could work. It's also a question about culture and values.
                                        And sorry to say this dear Canadians: You are at least partly americanized.

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                                        No we’re not. What a horrible thing to say.

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                                          Please elaborate

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