Warning: Lutris discord tolerates far right, racism and genocide apologia
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OC by @[email protected]
Today in Lutris discord which I happen to lurk occasionally, I saw some lovely people were commenting in the offtopic channel about how they support Ethan Kleins lawsuit against Youtubers who criticised him, GamerGate bs, defending streamer sex pests and some other stuff. One person offhandedly mentions how they get their information from Asmongold.
If you're not very online, Asmongold is a reactionary streamer who at one point declared he thinks Palestinians should be genocided because of their "inferior culture". Ethan Klein is a somewhat well known youtuber/podcaster who has also spent the last year or so having a very public meltdown over Israel and his own fundamentally contradictory set of positions he's tried to triangulate between.
Seeing this, I made a brief comment about Asmongolds stance mentioned above and why anyone would listen to him. I got racist responses claiming "Palestinians have been kicked out of every culture they've been in" and deflecting to "Look at Egypts border".
Called out the racism and genocide apologia, the only person who was warned was me for not being civil. I replied "racism and genocide apologia is not civil", referred to the fact the Lutris logo on discord has an LGBTQ flag, and was called a nutcase and banned.
tl:dr Lutris discord moderation is OK with racism and genocide, but you're a "nutcase" if you call a spade a spade.
Spade is a racist term for black people, my dude. That phrase is racist af.
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OC by @[email protected]
Today in Lutris discord which I happen to lurk occasionally, I saw some lovely people were commenting in the offtopic channel about how they support Ethan Kleins lawsuit against Youtubers who criticised him, GamerGate bs, defending streamer sex pests and some other stuff. One person offhandedly mentions how they get their information from Asmongold.
If you're not very online, Asmongold is a reactionary streamer who at one point declared he thinks Palestinians should be genocided because of their "inferior culture". Ethan Klein is a somewhat well known youtuber/podcaster who has also spent the last year or so having a very public meltdown over Israel and his own fundamentally contradictory set of positions he's tried to triangulate between.
Seeing this, I made a brief comment about Asmongolds stance mentioned above and why anyone would listen to him. I got racist responses claiming "Palestinians have been kicked out of every culture they've been in" and deflecting to "Look at Egypts border".
Called out the racism and genocide apologia, the only person who was warned was me for not being civil. I replied "racism and genocide apologia is not civil", referred to the fact the Lutris logo on discord has an LGBTQ flag, and was called a nutcase and banned.
tl:dr Lutris discord moderation is OK with racism and genocide, but you're a "nutcase" if you call a spade a spade.
So what you're saying is that having nothing to do with Lutris itself, there is a discord where people get together and say things that are hateful.
But we can still use Lutris. It does not mean that we are endorsing the hateful rhetoric of the discord, right?
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Spade is a racist term for black people, my dude. That phrase is racist af.
That phrase has nothing to do with racism and predates "spade" being used as a slur. Homophones exist and context is important.
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So what you're saying is that having nothing to do with Lutris itself, there is a discord where people get together and say things that are hateful.
But we can still use Lutris. It does not mean that we are endorsing the hateful rhetoric of the discord, right?
Agreed. Also, censoring is a lot of work! Sure, some stuff is extreme such as racism, sexism, etc. that most reasonable people would agree should be censored. But where do you draw the line? Choosing to censor means defining what is allowable and someone will always disagree with where the line is drawn. I sympathize with community moderators (or lack thereof).
For me at least, choosing not to censor and endorsing something are completely separate.
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Spade is a racist term for black people, my dude. That phrase is racist af.
I've never heard that before, and doing some very light research, it does seem like "Spade" is a slur from the 1920s. At the same time however, the phrase "Calling a spade a spade." is a "modern" (1500's) adaption of an ancient Greek phrase.
The easy solution here is to just re-adapt it so it doesn't use a racist term. To keep the theming of shovels of course, the easiest answer is "Calling a shovel a shovel."
Thanks for the info, always good to learn a new thing or two
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Spade is a racist term for black people, my dude. That phrase is racist af.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_a_spade_a_spade
The phrase predates the use of the word "spade" as an ethnic slur against African Americans (and others of African descent), which was not recorded until 1928.
The ultimate source of this idiom is a phrase in Plutarch's Apophthegmata Laconica: τὴν σκάφην σκάφην λέγοντας (tēn skaphēn skaphēn legontas). The word σκαφη (skaphe) means "basin or trough". Lucian De Hist. Conscr. (41) has τὰ σύκα σύκα, τὴν σκάφην δὲ σκάφην ὀνομάσων (ta suka suka, tēn skaphēn de skaphēn onomasōn), "calling a fig a fig, and a trough a trough".
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OC by @[email protected]
Today in Lutris discord which I happen to lurk occasionally, I saw some lovely people were commenting in the offtopic channel about how they support Ethan Kleins lawsuit against Youtubers who criticised him, GamerGate bs, defending streamer sex pests and some other stuff. One person offhandedly mentions how they get their information from Asmongold.
If you're not very online, Asmongold is a reactionary streamer who at one point declared he thinks Palestinians should be genocided because of their "inferior culture". Ethan Klein is a somewhat well known youtuber/podcaster who has also spent the last year or so having a very public meltdown over Israel and his own fundamentally contradictory set of positions he's tried to triangulate between.
Seeing this, I made a brief comment about Asmongolds stance mentioned above and why anyone would listen to him. I got racist responses claiming "Palestinians have been kicked out of every culture they've been in" and deflecting to "Look at Egypts border".
Called out the racism and genocide apologia, the only person who was warned was me for not being civil. I replied "racism and genocide apologia is not civil", referred to the fact the Lutris logo on discord has an LGBTQ flag, and was called a nutcase and banned.
tl:dr Lutris discord moderation is OK with racism and genocide, but you're a "nutcase" if you call a spade a spade.
Who cares
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OC by @[email protected]
Today in Lutris discord which I happen to lurk occasionally, I saw some lovely people were commenting in the offtopic channel about how they support Ethan Kleins lawsuit against Youtubers who criticised him, GamerGate bs, defending streamer sex pests and some other stuff. One person offhandedly mentions how they get their information from Asmongold.
If you're not very online, Asmongold is a reactionary streamer who at one point declared he thinks Palestinians should be genocided because of their "inferior culture". Ethan Klein is a somewhat well known youtuber/podcaster who has also spent the last year or so having a very public meltdown over Israel and his own fundamentally contradictory set of positions he's tried to triangulate between.
Seeing this, I made a brief comment about Asmongolds stance mentioned above and why anyone would listen to him. I got racist responses claiming "Palestinians have been kicked out of every culture they've been in" and deflecting to "Look at Egypts border".
Called out the racism and genocide apologia, the only person who was warned was me for not being civil. I replied "racism and genocide apologia is not civil", referred to the fact the Lutris logo on discord has an LGBTQ flag, and was called a nutcase and banned.
tl:dr Lutris discord moderation is OK with racism and genocide, but you're a "nutcase" if you call a spade a spade.
So I got curious about this, and had a look into it.
Firstly, the entire conversation was scrubbed from the chat, and it was done so before the lemmy.ml callout post was discovered/made. So claiming that they're "okay with it" is a bit of a stretch.
The entire discussion seemed to have spawned from this article: https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2025/06/23/h3h3-ethan-klein-sues-three-reaction-streamers/ . I don't know or care enough to say who is right or wrong, but here you go in case anyone wants to look into it.
Apparently, according to a quick search, Asmongold did make some choice comments about Palestine.
What I assumed happened is that people were talking about the lawsuit and someone offhandedly mentioned Asmongold. Then GlacialTurtle decided to go on a long rant about genocide and then was told to cool it. Because obviously anyone that doesn't want to talk about genocide in a server about Linux software is in fact tactily supporting genocide, Turtle doubled down and ended up getting banned. Then they went to their next platform to complain about it, Lemmy, and now here we are two degrees removed from the discussion with no actual receipts.
Somewhat fittingly, earlier yesterday, they were talking about the tragic death/murder of Mikayla Raines.
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I've never heard that before, and doing some very light research, it does seem like "Spade" is a slur from the 1920s. At the same time however, the phrase "Calling a spade a spade." is a "modern" (1500's) adaption of an ancient Greek phrase.
The easy solution here is to just re-adapt it so it doesn't use a racist term. To keep the theming of shovels of course, the easiest answer is "Calling a shovel a shovel."
Thanks for the info, always good to learn a new thing or two
But a shovel isn't a spade and a spade isn't a shovel! They are different tools!
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So I got curious about this, and had a look into it.
Firstly, the entire conversation was scrubbed from the chat, and it was done so before the lemmy.ml callout post was discovered/made. So claiming that they're "okay with it" is a bit of a stretch.
The entire discussion seemed to have spawned from this article: https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2025/06/23/h3h3-ethan-klein-sues-three-reaction-streamers/ . I don't know or care enough to say who is right or wrong, but here you go in case anyone wants to look into it.
Apparently, according to a quick search, Asmongold did make some choice comments about Palestine.
What I assumed happened is that people were talking about the lawsuit and someone offhandedly mentioned Asmongold. Then GlacialTurtle decided to go on a long rant about genocide and then was told to cool it. Because obviously anyone that doesn't want to talk about genocide in a server about Linux software is in fact tactily supporting genocide, Turtle doubled down and ended up getting banned. Then they went to their next platform to complain about it, Lemmy, and now here we are two degrees removed from the discussion with no actual receipts.
Somewhat fittingly, earlier yesterday, they were talking about the tragic death/murder of Mikayla Raines.
Let's not shorten his name to Turtle.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_a_spade_a_spade
The phrase predates the use of the word "spade" as an ethnic slur against African Americans (and others of African descent), which was not recorded until 1928.
The ultimate source of this idiom is a phrase in Plutarch's Apophthegmata Laconica: τὴν σκάφην σκάφην λέγοντας (tēn skaphēn skaphēn legontas). The word σκαφη (skaphe) means "basin or trough". Lucian De Hist. Conscr. (41) has τὰ σύκα σύκα, τὴν σκάφην δὲ σκάφην ὀνομάσων (ta suka suka, tēn skaphēn de skaphēn onomasōn), "calling a fig a fig, and a trough a trough".
And the use of a swastika as a symbol for good luck predates its use as a Nazi symbol by about 10000 years. Still I don't think it's wise to run around with a swastika tattoo, claiming it's for good luck.
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And the use of a swastika as a symbol for good luck predates its use as a Nazi symbol by about 10000 years. Still I don't think it's wise to run around with a swastika tattoo, claiming it's for good luck.
Context is important. If you're a white guy with a shaved head, yeah that's a bad tattoo idea. If you're a brown skinned Hindu or Buddhist, it isn't going to raise as many questions.
