What are some conversation nonstarters in mainstream Lemmy.World?
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calling out men as predominant perpetrators of violence towards women
...and children, as well as other men. If there’s violence, statistically, the perpetrator is most likely male. Most people in jail are men too. I guess this only becomes controversial to those who believe group averages apply to every individual within that group.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]We have a funny thing going as a society where we say violence is always bad on one hand, and then have men solving things with violence as the plot of all our fiction. If you're poor, the state monopoly on violence is also not invisible, so the first message seems as hypocritical as it is.
I'd really, really love it if we had a more balanced discussion that could actually reach AMAB people. I do think socialisation is the main problem here.
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I'm convinced people railing against wokeness are just AI bots at this point. OP, can you prove you are not a stochastic parrot without saying something silly?
Exhibit A
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calling out men as predominant perpetrators of violence towards women
...and children, as well as other men. If there’s violence, statistically, the perpetrator is most likely male. Most people in jail are men too. I guess this only becomes controversial to those who believe group averages apply to every individual within that group.
Yeah I think the problem is that in order to address the problem you have to call out how widespread it is and that’s where people, men, get defensive and don’t allow the conversation
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I’ve found a few and they seem to be growing as of late:
- questions about Lemmy demographics
- anything discussing negative effects of porn
- benefits of AI
- negative effects of “wokeness”
- critiquing of individuals in trans community
- calling out men as predominant perpetrators of violence towards women
- anything US pro-conservative
One topic that I’ve noticed used to be a nonstarter and is now popular is anti-democrat conversation.
What are other nonstarters you’ve experienced?
EDIT: seemingly asking people what the community doesn’t want to talk about is a nonstarter
EDIT: calling out men as being predominate perps of violence is NOT a nonstarter and accepted within the community. A select few think that’s being a terf but they are wrong.
I think controversial or even unpopular and a true nonstarter are two different things. "We should bring back racial segregation" is a nonstarter, as it should be. "AI will make life somewhat cheaper" will get you some support, even if it brings out angry luddites and denialists in response.
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I think you should evaluate why people don’t want to entertain these topics.
Even if the answer is “bias”, it’s worth looking into the nature of that bias to find out why people think that way.
However, I’ll save you a bit of time: most of these “topics” are based on a false premise. They are strawman arguments which indicate a misunderstanding of a particular argument/viewpoint. This makes any conversation a non-starter, which is why I suggest forming a more complete understanding of other arguments.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Thanks, but I didn’t ask that and your assertion is based on your own bias/opinion
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I’ve discovered starting a sentence with colorful insults doesn’t land well.
It doesn’t even have to include an insult. Even the most clinical approach is stifled.
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Anything that runs counter or even questions accepted correct answers. Correct answers are extremely american centric and left-leaning.
Yeah the hive mentality is so strong and inhibits progress.
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Exhibit A
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I'm not even from the Lemmy world instance. I'm from the instance that specifically rails against AI slop. Thank you for being silly.
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I think controversial or even unpopular and a true nonstarter are two different things. "We should bring back racial segregation" is a nonstarter, as it should be. "AI will make life somewhat cheaper" will get you some support, even if it brings out angry luddites and denialists in response.
Fair, so what are some other unobvious non-starters
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Thanks, but I didn’t ask that and your assertion is based on your own bias/opinion
wrote on last edited by [email protected]How is your response any different than what you are complaining about?
Edit: this is rhetorical, I am actually not interested in a response. Oh the irony.
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I think you should evaluate why people don’t want to entertain these topics.
Even if the answer is “bias”, it’s worth looking into the nature of that bias to find out why people think that way.
However, I’ll save you a bit of time: most of these “topics” are based on a false premise. They are strawman arguments which indicate a misunderstanding of a particular argument/viewpoint. This makes any conversation a non-starter, which is why I suggest forming a more complete understanding of other arguments.
However, I’ll save you a bit of time: most of these “topics” are based on a false premise. They are strawman arguments which indicate a misunderstanding of a particular argument/viewpoint.
A statement that shines a moon-sized spotlight on the bias of its author towards groupthink.
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I'm not even from the Lemmy world instance. I'm from the instance that specifically rails against AI slop. Thank you for being silly.
Do you have anything of value to contribute?
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Fair, so what are some other unobvious non-starters
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Being obvious is almost a requirement. It's hard to instantly reject something you haven't heard much about.
Like, "ancient Egypt never existed" would get curiosity at the very least, despite the fact it's around as factually incorrect as flat Earth theory. A socially harmful belief like "left handed people are of the devil" would get a stronger negative response yet, once people know you're serious, but not at the same level as "gay people are of the devil".
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I’ve found a few and they seem to be growing as of late:
- questions about Lemmy demographics
- anything discussing negative effects of porn
- benefits of AI
- negative effects of “wokeness”
- critiquing of individuals in trans community
- calling out men as predominant perpetrators of violence towards women
- anything US pro-conservative
One topic that I’ve noticed used to be a nonstarter and is now popular is anti-democrat conversation.
What are other nonstarters you’ve experienced?
EDIT: seemingly asking people what the community doesn’t want to talk about is a nonstarter
EDIT: calling out men as being predominate perps of violence is NOT a nonstarter and accepted within the community. A select few think that’s being a terf but they are wrong.
Another is the non-monolithic nature of (real) science and the requirement for (real) scientific methods (e.g., replicated, non-sponsored studies).
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Being obvious is almost a requirement. It's hard to instantly reject something you haven't heard much about.
Like, "ancient Egypt never existed" would get curiosity at the very least, despite the fact it's around as factually incorrect as flat Earth theory. A socially harmful belief like "left handed people are of the devil" would get a stronger negative response yet, once people know you're serious, but not at the same level as "gay people are of the devil".
Alright…since you’re being devil’s advocate I’ll lay out some criteria:
- Topic would almost entirely be received negatively
- You feel that it’s not something that the community would or should immediately balk at
- It’s a serious discussion
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Another is the non-monolithic nature of (real) science and the requirement for (real) scientific methods (e.g., replicated, non-sponsored studies).
You’re saying that people don’t want to discuss how science could be wrong or not universally true?
Yeah people just hear, “a study shows XYZ” and think, oh truth. When in fact there’s a lot of manipulation that goes into these studies similar to statistics and there are constantly debates among scientists who disagree with each other’s assertions.
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Alright…since you’re being devil’s advocate I’ll lay out some criteria:
- Topic would almost entirely be received negatively
- You feel that it’s not something that the community would or should immediately balk at
- It’s a serious discussion
wrote on last edited by [email protected]You feel that it’s not something that the community would or should immediately balk at
This happened to you recently, right? This post itself is getting a negative reaction because we can tell, and it comes across as whiny.
People have opinions on and offline. You can contradict them, which is okay, but people are never going to like it, and that's okay. Lemmy has a strongly left-wing, open-source bent, and reacts accordingly.
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Do you have anything of value to contribute?
What is your intention with this response? Do you expect me to suddenly give you something you value as a response? That would be silly based on the conversation this far.
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We have a funny thing going as a society where we say violence is always bad on one hand, and then have men solving things with violence as the plot of all our fiction. If you're poor, the state monopoly on violence is also not invisible, so the first message seems as hypocritical as it is.
I'd really, really love it if we had a more balanced discussion that could actually reach AMAB people. I do think socialisation is the main problem here.
Seriously. Men are perceived as dangerous by default and that influences how we think about solving problems.
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You feel that it’s not something that the community would or should immediately balk at
This happened to you recently, right? This post itself is getting a negative reaction because we can tell, and it comes across as whiny.
People have opinions on and offline. You can contradict them, which is okay, but people are never going to like it, and that's okay. Lemmy has a strongly left-wing, open-source bent, and reacts accordingly.
I’m trying to gauge where the community has landed as of late, because like I said in the original post, there have been big shifts like opinions on Democrats and in regards to your questions, I’ve experience some strange intersection between misogyny and pro-transness.
