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OpenAI declares AI race “over” if training on copyrighted works isn’t fair use

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  • U [email protected]

    Truly open is the only way LLMs make sense.

    They're using us and our content openly. The relationship should be reciprocal. Now, they need to somehow keep the servers running.

    Perhaps a SETI like model?

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    I mean, make em non profit (or not for profit) and perfecly good with that. Also open source the model so I can run it on my own hardware if I want to.

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      Perhaps this is just a problem with the way the model works. Always requiring new data and unable to use current data, to ponder and expand upon while making new connections about ideas that influenced the author… LLM’s are a smoke and mirrors show, not a real intelligence.

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      They do seem fundamentally limited somehow. With all the bazillion watts they are cheap imitation at best compared to mere 20 Watts of human brain

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        There's also an argument that if the business was that reliant on free things to start with, then it shouldn't be a business.

        No-one would bat their eyes if the CEO of a real estate company was sobbing that it's the end of the rental market, because the company is no longer allowed to get houses for free.

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        Agribusiness in shambles after draining the water table (it is still free)

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          Oops, oh well. I very much hope it's over, asshole.

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            looks good

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            • emmie@lemm.eeE [email protected]

              They do seem fundamentally limited somehow. With all the bazillion watts they are cheap imitation at best compared to mere 20 Watts of human brain

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              or it might be playing dumb...

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                Apparantly their trying to get Deepseek banned again, really doesn't like competition this guy.

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                  I mean, make em non profit (or not for profit) and perfecly good with that. Also open source the model so I can run it on my own hardware if I want to.

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                  Open AI kind of is a nonprofit. It's a nonprofit entity owned by a for profit entity, which is fucky and defeats the purpose, but that's an argument you'll see people make.

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                    I am good with that.

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                    dont threaten me with a good time

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                      No, actually they've just finally admitted that they can't improve them any further because there's not enough training data in existence to squeeze any more demonizing returns out of.

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                        Entrenched companies often want more regulation to prevent startup competition. Pulling the ladder up behind them.

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                        To be fair, they want more regulation n others, not on them. Specially if they’re doing shady things.

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                          Over in the US, that's giving China the advantage in AI development. Won't happen.

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                            “The plagiarism machine will break without more things to plagiarize.”

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                              This is exactly what social media companies have been doing for a while (it’s free, yes) they use your data to train their algorithms to squeeze more money out of people. They get a tangible and monetary benefit from our collective data. These AI companies want to train their AI on our hard work and then get monetary benefit off of it. How is this not seen as theft or even if they are not doing it just yet…how is it not seen as an attempt at theft?

                              How come people (not the tech savvy) are unable to see how they are being exploited? These companies are not currently working towards any UBI bills or policies in governments that I am aware of. Since they want to take our work, and use it to get rich and their investors rich why do they think they are justified in using people’s work? It just seems so slime-y.

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                                Good, end this AI bullshit, it has little upsides and a metric fuckton of downsides for the common man

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                                  Good, end this AI bullshit, it has little upsides and a metric fuckton of downsides for the common man

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                                  You don't want to all become literally socially and mentally retarded together but apart?

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                                    Over in the US, that's giving China the advantage in AI development. Won't happen.

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                                    It's it's like USA adopting China's IP laws.

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                                    • P [email protected]

                                      Man, what if we abolished copyright, but also banned gen AI completely. I think that would be the funniest answer.

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                                      Only answer that would make me happy

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                                        "How are we supposed to win the race if we can't cheat?!"

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                                          I'll take him seriously if & when OpenAI lives up to its name.

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