Chrono Trigger Is Timeless
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I will say, the longer I look at that, the less confident I am that there is any difference at all, lol.
I grabbed some more comparisons, this time from my tablet using the CRT-Consumer shader. Notice stuff like the bloom from the window and shading around the curtains, the kitchen appliances and plants, general shading around dithered stuff like the tent, and the trees on the world map.
Also these are best viewed on a larger screen, it’s hard to see the difference on a phone.
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There are a lot of JRPGs from this era that I love dearly but would have a hard time recommending to anyone who didn't grow up on these kinds of games. Games that are slow, grindy, and mostly consist of clicking Attack every turn.
Chrono Trigger is the one exception I can recommend to anyone, and then say that if you liked this entry point then you can try some other JRPG classics.
Just note that the original SNES translation should be avoided, play a modern rerelease or a retranslation patch.
But Ted Woolsey's original SNES translation is gold for what it is. Remember that he did the whole thing basically by himself and had to get extremely creative to cram the script into the ROM space since English text takes up more characters than Japanese, while also avoiding NoA's insane censorship rules at the time.
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Played it again for like the 10th time on like the 5th system I have it on it and it absolutely holds up. This time around it was the OG SNES on a Steam Deck. The original cartridge, box, instructions and everything are in a box in the basement, but that cartridge has been across the country and back with me every since I bought it through a mail order company that had its ads in EGM.
Chrono Trigger is damn near perfect. The closest I’ve gotten to reliving that game in my adult life is Sea of Stars, which I also highly recommend as it is very clearly inspired by CT.
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I am about to "finish it" and I haven't played it in one sitting for sure, I have done some pauses for months here and then and when I go back to it I always find myself lost in their objectives.
One thing I can say I don't like, and it must be a very personal issue, is that the game work "kinda open" with not clear objectives of where you should head off then, which just increases my sense of loss.
I suppose many games of those days worked like that (like not having pointers in a map of where to go) but I just couldn't.... And if you add the secondary missions to it that involves time traveling it all just gets more confusing for me.
I am aware the game has quite good post game content, so I hope I do my best there...
In a nutshell I think this game does well for people that know it at 100% (as in, their favorite nostalgic game) but for newcomers you'll get lost and need a guide at hand, especially if you want to enjoy it at "its fullest" doing all the secondary quests available, that is my personal experience though.
Getting the full experience from Chrono Trigger specifically, unlike most other similar games, is getting all of the endings. The New Game+ mode will help there.
Chrono Trigger has 18 endings, if I recall correctly, including various permutations. Plus one additional one in the rereleases from the DS version forward. Some of them are only very subtly different from each other depending on which combination of character side quests you fully completed, and they all vary depending at which point your manage to defeat the final boss in the main story sequence. Several of them are significantly different interpretations of the future (or the past) post the defeat of the final boss with various for-want-of-a-nail factors causing huge changes to the outcome.
You have quite a few opportunities to fight the final boss up to and including immediately after discovering the first time gate all the way back at the beginning of the game. (Do that in New Game+ with an overpowered Crono, though, unless you want to get steamrolled instantly...)
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It's tough because I'm sure people that grew up playing games with map markers could certainly get lost in it, but at the same time Chrono Trigger is one of the most straight-forward games of its era/genre. There are JRPGs that came out two generations later that had a real rough time with the "find the NPC to advance the story" problem.
Depending on the version you're playing, the post game content isn't quite as sharp as the original stuff (it was added years later by a different team). The New Game+ mode, on the other hand, was in the original and is good stuff.
I am definitely not one of those who grew up playing game with markers though (I am 32 years old and that's why I specified it must be a me problem
).I am playing the DS version which seems to be the definitive version, even to this day.
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But Ted Woolsey's original SNES translation is gold for what it is. Remember that he did the whole thing basically by himself and had to get extremely creative to cram the script into the ROM space since English text takes up more characters than Japanese, while also avoiding NoA's insane censorship rules at the time.
I respect the hell out of him for doing the best he could with very limited resources, difficult technical limitations, and an insane deadline. I just can't recommend playing that version today over a better alternative.
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I respect the hell out of him for doing the best he could with very limited resources, difficult technical limitations, and an insane deadline. I just can't recommend playing that version today over a better alternative.
I love Woolsey but have never played Chrono Trigger. Is there a mashup "best of both worlds" version out there that adds the best Woolsey-isms to the longer script version, like the Woolsey Uncensored for FF VI?
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I love Woolsey but have never played Chrono Trigger. Is there a mashup "best of both worlds" version out there that adds the best Woolsey-isms to the longer script version, like the Woolsey Uncensored for FF VI?
CT doesn't feel quite as wacky as Woolsey's earlier scripts--the lighter tone of the game helps with that--and most of the problem with the original stems from Nintendo of America's censorship and a handful of localization choices that won't land with everyone (for example, a main character speaks like Cyan).
Unless you hated the FF6 revision in the GBA games or later, I'd say the DS or PC versions of Chrono Trigger do what you're looking for by revising but not completely rewriting the original.
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I have never played Chrono Trigger, but I am currently spending some time playing old classic games. However, some games don't age well and are mostly appreciated due to nostalgia. How easy is Chrono Trigger to get into for someone without the nostalgia, and is the Steam release worth playing?
CT is one of the all time great JRPGs... if you put the effort in.
But it is very much a product of its time between missable party members and even mechanics that penalize you for opening treasure chests too soon.
Conceptually it is cool as hell that there is something like five or six main endings and then a bunch of variants and special/joke endings. But... this is a 20-30 hour JRPG and ain't nobody got that much time. Although, different re-releases have helped speed those up.
All in all? The big set piece moments are some of the greatest in gaming. The moment to moment are... from the early 90s. I would probably recommend grabbing a totally legit dump of your SNES cartridge, playing until you get bored/annoyed, and then watching a lore video.
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Played it again for like the 10th time on like the 5th system I have it on it and it absolutely holds up. This time around it was the OG SNES on a Steam Deck. The original cartridge, box, instructions and everything are in a box in the basement, but that cartridge has been across the country and back with me every since I bought it through a mail order company that had its ads in EGM.
Chrono Trigger is damn near perfect. The closest I’ve gotten to reliving that game in my adult life is Sea of Stars, which I also highly recommend as it is very clearly inspired by CT.
I don't know if you've tried crosscode, and its been a (long) while since iv3 played chrono trigger, but from what i remember of playing it they gave me very much the same vibes, and i was totally blown away by crosscode. Most fun ive had playing a game in a long time, with a surprisingly engaging story.
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Chrono Trigger is one of those games you can play just for the music.
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Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross and Xenogears are the holy trinity of JRPGs for me. Every fan of the genre should play them at least once in their lives.
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Chrono Trigger is one of those games you can play just for the music.
That was me with SimCity 4. xD
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I grabbed some more comparisons, this time from my tablet using the CRT-Consumer shader. Notice stuff like the bloom from the window and shading around the curtains, the kitchen appliances and plants, general shading around dithered stuff like the tent, and the trees on the world map.
Also these are best viewed on a larger screen, it’s hard to see the difference on a phone.
Most of those look worse in the bottom pictures tbh. A couple of the top ones look a little too bright and washed out, but the bottom ones just look low contrast and dark.
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I don't know if you've tried crosscode, and its been a (long) while since iv3 played chrono trigger, but from what i remember of playing it they gave me very much the same vibes, and i was totally blown away by crosscode. Most fun ive had playing a game in a long time, with a surprisingly engaging story.
CrossCode was SO good! It's a great game and I'm always thrilled when I find others that played it.
Did you know its studio, Radical Fish, has another game coming?
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CT is one of the all time great JRPGs... if you put the effort in.
But it is very much a product of its time between missable party members and even mechanics that penalize you for opening treasure chests too soon.
Conceptually it is cool as hell that there is something like five or six main endings and then a bunch of variants and special/joke endings. But... this is a 20-30 hour JRPG and ain't nobody got that much time. Although, different re-releases have helped speed those up.
All in all? The big set piece moments are some of the greatest in gaming. The moment to moment are... from the early 90s. I would probably recommend grabbing a totally legit dump of your SNES cartridge, playing until you get bored/annoyed, and then watching a lore video.
Missable party members? 5~ endings?
Is this really in Chrono Trigger?
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Most of those look worse in the bottom pictures tbh. A couple of the top ones look a little too bright and washed out, but the bottom ones just look low contrast and dark.
To each their own. The ones with the shader are closer to what it looked like on a CRT (minus some extra bloom and color bleed if using composite or RF).
Edit - I made a post about the shaders I'm using on the Steam Deck with an album of screenshots hosted outside of Lemmy upload (on Lensdump) and seems to be better, I think Lemmy is doing something to the image with compression.
https://lemmy.world/post/26996470
If you only care about the comparison shots:
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I will say, the longer I look at that, the less confident I am that there is any difference at all, lol.
I made a post about the shader I'm using on the Steam Deck with an album of screenshots hosted outside of Lemmy upload (on Lensdump) and seems to be better, I think Lemmy is doing something to the image with compression.
https://lemmy.world/post/26996470
If you only care about the comparison shots:
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Missable party members? 5~ endings?
Is this really in Chrono Trigger?
There is an optional party member that you can either recruit or fight based on which dialogue option you pick. You'll know it when you see it though, so it's easy to make the right choice.
There are 12 endings (13 in DS and subsequent rereleases). You can easily see all of them in just two playthroughs. Theoretically you could even do them all on the first playthrough, but it's much easier to do in NG+.
The only caveat is that you have to see them in order, you can't backtrack if you miss one, which is why I recommend starting with the final and true ending on your first playthrough, then do all the others on NG+. NG+ makes it pretty easy to speed through things as well, your second playthrough will be much shorter.
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That was me with SimCity 4. xD
and SimCity 3000 and SimCity 2000 (Macintosh)
