Highway to hell!
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Yeah. But if they pull over after somebody "politely" flashes at them, they aren't obeying the traffic rules in the first place as those require them to drive in the right lane if they can at all times.
More often than not, people move to the right once they are done overtaking someone else. It's just that these maneuvers take longer than the assholes who flash their high beams or who tailgate can handle. And those are the situations where the traffic situation simple doesn't allow for their speeding.
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here it's more like follow the speed limit except for when a bicycle is ahead of you. you bike behind a car and they will obey the school zone limit. you bike over the limit ahead of them and they will speed to pass you and kill a child for bonus points.
Oh man I feel that one. I ride my bike fast. Like usually around 28 km/h. But some drivers get downright agressive, and really need to get past me especially when the need to turn into a habitation area in 100 meters.
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Germans any other time: obey the rule no matter how bad
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The fuck kinda driving school did you go to? Both flashing your high beams and using the horn is simply not allowed and counts as "Nötigung". If someone is in the left lane while not actively overtaking, should move to the right, no discussion there. But when I encounter aggressive assholes, the kind who uses high beams, it's always when there's too much traffic to race across Germany.
To signal intent to overtake flashing the light (outside of settlements) is legal and described in the StVo. It’s not illegal. Doing so while driving very close to the front car while they have no chance to make space can be „Nötigung“, yes. The situation described by OP falls under the legal use of high beams in my opinion.
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It's more like if you drive too fast you're not insured. Oh, by the way, road works, 80km/h. Aaaand you're free again! Have f- oh no, roadworks again, 80 pls. Ok done. Now you can really hit the gas! Joke, roadworks again haha, 80! Finally done, now we promise we don't have roadworks anymore, enjoy! Aaaand welcome to the Netherlands, 100 please.
Ironically, Germany is the only country where I’ve gotten speeding tickets on the highway when driving through Europe east to west or vice versa. I’m still not entirely sure whether it was because of road works, the fact that I had a (small) trailer, or something else.
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Driving at those speeds uses exponentially more fuel. RIP planet earth
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I‘m all in favor of a general 130 km/h limit on German autobahn. In addition to being better for the environment, it would make our already relatively save autobahn even saver. But I have a feeling that the speed limit in Germany is similar to the gun discussion in the US. It’s a very emotional topic for many people.
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German here. It is true that yes, there are some parts of the German highway where there is no official speed limit. But often times, be it through traffic or speed limits, you can't drive that fast.
Are the no limit zones shown on google maps?
Also how well/visible are the signs?
I fear thinking some section is no limits only to get a massive ticket.
Of course I would drive after the conditions
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To signal intent to overtake flashing the light (outside of settlements) is legal and described in the StVo. It’s not illegal. Doing so while driving very close to the front car while they have no chance to make space can be „Nötigung“, yes. The situation described by OP falls under the legal use of high beams in my opinion.
OK, yes. The issue is only that I've never seen it used in an OK situation. Probably because I drive in the most suitable right lane, unless overtaking. I only ever see it being used while overtaking, which should be visible for the person speeding. And that is not a situation where it's fine to signal your intent for overtaking. When there's an Elefantenrennen that forces others into the left lane, you can signal all you want. There are simply too many cars to drive fast. I don't know how often I've been bullied out of the left lane, fearing for my safety, only to merge right back right behind the asshole who's now stuck behind the car that was right in front of me. I'll never understand that mindset.
Contrary to OP I hate driving on German highways because of the amount of aggressive assholes. I always found driving in the Netherlands much more relaxing.
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Yeah, you are allowed to drive as fast as you like on some Autobahns, but if you have an accident and your speed is deemed to be faster than safe, the insurance companies are like "nah bro, you brought this on yourself"
Also, if you are faster than 130 kph and have an accident, you’re always deemed to be partially at fault, no matter what happened
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Amsterdam is not close to any border. On the other hand, the Netherlands is very small, so in that sense you’re always close to a border
Since you want to be pedantic. Arrnhem is less than 1.5 hours to the border. This is pretty easy to look up before looking foolish.
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Are the no limit zones shown on google maps?
Also how well/visible are the signs?
I fear thinking some section is no limits only to get a massive ticket.
Of course I would drive after the conditions
Google was fine as well as road signs. The traffic around you is also a good indicator. You'll catch up real quick when things slow down.
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Ironically, Germany is the only country where I’ve gotten speeding tickets on the highway when driving through Europe east to west or vice versa. I’m still not entirely sure whether it was because of road works, the fact that I had a (small) trailer, or something else.
With a trailer you're limited to 80kph (or 100kph im some cases)
And police is setting also setting up "distance traps" on the Autobahn, you can get a ticket (or even lose your license) for tailgating.
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Since you want to be pedantic. Arrnhem is less than 1.5 hours to the border. This is pretty easy to look up before looking foolish.
You said Amsterdam, though. I know Arnhem, so I don’t have to look it up. Arnhem is less than 30 minutes from the border. Amsterdam is about 1.5 hours from the border, but doesn’t give any information about which part of the border, since it’s about as far to the west as you can be.
That being said, I meant it lightly, it wasn’t important for what you were saying.
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There are no "polite flashes". If you have to bully other cars out of the left lane, you're driving faster than traffic allows.
If I'm going really fast I may give people who are just sitting on the left lane a single flash when I'm still quite far away so they are aware I'm closing in.
Going fast is only possible on a quite empty road anyways.
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because I obey the laws
flashes of lights from the distance, I pull to the right
Doesn't sound like you were obeying the Rechtsfahrgebot.
Maybe they were just passing a truck?
Or is it the arschlochpflicht that forces germans to write this type of comments?
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There are no "polite flashes". If you have to bully other cars out of the left lane, you're driving faster than traffic allows.
they are deiving in the wrong lane
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because I obey the laws
flashes of lights from the distance, I pull to the right
Doesn't sound like you were obeying the Rechtsfahrgebot.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Of course, you are right, but ...
if you are driving fast and don't want to constantly switch lanes imo it is ok to drive in the left lane while constantly checking if there is someone behind you for whom you need switch to the right lane (yeah, yeah, still illegal).
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Are the no limit zones shown on google maps?
Also how well/visible are the signs?
I fear thinking some section is no limits only to get a massive ticket.
Of course I would drive after the conditions
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Signs are quite visible. Around here (Munich) most of the Autobahn speed limits are electronic signs anyways, which can be turned off or on set to a limit between 60 and 120 due to traffic or weather conditions. *
"Normal" speed limits signs are being repeated every 30 seconds or so, google. maps also shows the limit while navigating and a lot of newer cars detect the signs as well and show the current limit on the speedometer.
Current cars must play a warning sound (by law) each time you exceed the limit. (You may turn the warning off for the current trip)
- btw there's one electronic sign per lane on a "bridge - like" construction and here in Bavaria they include mounting points for speed trap cameras.
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I‘m all in favor of a general 130 km/h limit on German autobahn. In addition to being better for the environment, it would make our already relatively save autobahn even saver. But I have a feeling that the speed limit in Germany is similar to the gun discussion in the US. It’s a very emotional topic for many people.
General limit yes, but make it 150 for now. It's easier to get people on board with a higher limit and lowering the limit will also encounter less resistance down the road (haha).
