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  • N [email protected]

    I’ve published about 30 scientific papers, and have worked closely with publishers, both traditional and highly digitized. Scientific findings are IP, and should be protected; and costs for the publishers should be reimbursed through paid subscription.

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    #18

    Scientific findings are IP

    Yeah, how is your research going to do any good if people can't access it? If you want to be in the for-profit industry go work in a for-profit industry.

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      Many many libraries have access to journals as well so check your local library!!

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      Yeah, my wife always gives me the gentle reminder to check the library first. I let my library card lapse, but I'll have her sometimes check books out for me before I go pirate them. We have a few friends who work in the system, and every single interaction you have with the library benefits them. The library is a wonderful place, I need to stop being lazy and just go re-register, but my wife is an enabler.

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      • addie@feddit.ukA [email protected]

        If Wikipedia's page on z-library is any indication, then a Tor link is probably your best bet. Absolutely shocking how they keep an up-to-date link there where anyone can see and use it.

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        Shh! Don't let them in on our little secret.

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          Scientific findings are IP

          Yeah, how is your research going to do any good if people can't access it? If you want to be in the for-profit industry go work in a for-profit industry.

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          Anyone in the entire world can access my scientific research. I presume you’re a scientist too? Do you have results of yours that people can’t access?

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            Found the American!

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            untrue and simply stupid.

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              Scientific findings are IP

              Yeah, how is your research going to do any good if people can't access it? If you want to be in the for-profit industry go work in a for-profit industry.

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              Apparently you don’t know what IP is. IP means you create a play, write a novel, write a scientific paper or record a tune. The person who created that IP owns it; it has a value (which does not have to be a monetary value), and that IP is protected by international laws. Making illegal copies of plays, books, movies, music or academic papers damages those IP rights. IP doesn’t mean things are hidden for use by others, it simple means the rights of the original artist or inventor are protected. Sure, some people complain that all of these things should be in the public domain - usually only up to the point where they start creating some IP themselves 😉 so, I do not object at all to share my scientific data, and in fact all my scientific data is available to anyone in the world. But I want to get credit for what I’ve done, I’m not investing dozens of years of my life into science for the well-being of humankind, and some ignorant people come and steal my rights and credit.

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              • addie@feddit.ukA [email protected]

                If Wikipedia's page on z-library is any indication, then a Tor link is probably your best bet. Absolutely shocking how they keep an up-to-date link there where anyone can see and use it.

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                there is also Where is Libgen which is apparently also powered by Wikidata

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                • dozzi92@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                  Yeah, my wife always gives me the gentle reminder to check the library first. I let my library card lapse, but I'll have her sometimes check books out for me before I go pirate them. We have a few friends who work in the system, and every single interaction you have with the library benefits them. The library is a wonderful place, I need to stop being lazy and just go re-register, but my wife is an enabler.

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                  I tell anyone I can that you can check out ebooks now from libraries. After you register online, you just download an app, sign in, and get to reading. Hoopla and Libby are 2 that I use, but I'm sure there are more.

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                    annas-archive.org

                    You might have to switch your DNS to one that doesn't block based on copyright

                    (e.g. Cloudflare: 1.1.1.1)

                    Actually i think the effort they are making is cool. It goes well beyond piracy and I think is a good idea esp in face of the world rn.

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                      annas-archive.org

                      You might have to switch your DNS to one that doesn't block based on copyright

                      (e.g. Cloudflare: 1.1.1.1)

                      Actually i think the effort they are making is cool. It goes well beyond piracy and I think is a good idea esp in face of the world rn.

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                      Thanks for letting the world know of another really bad site to totally avoid 😉

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                        Only works if you have a billion dollars though. If you do it on a big scale, they're just going to Aaron Swartz you.

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                        Hmm, good point.. Could you lend me a billion dollars? I have some downloading to do!

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                        • N [email protected]

                          untrue and simply stupid.

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                          Apologies if you're not, but surely you can see why I thought you were?

                          1. Pro-capitalism
                          2. Eng(US) spelling

                          When I was a lecturer, I contacted authors of papers on two occasions (to update slide decks - the papers in question were pay-walled), and both just forwarded the relevant paper on to me. They were both British, which again makes me think there's a culture difference here.

                          I think for transparency, and to avoid confusion, it's worth pointing out to everyone that authors don't get paid for submissions. This isn't like book publishing. The publishers take other people's work and then make money off that. That's their business model.

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                            the absurd part is that researchers and peer-reviewers often don't even get paid for their work.
                            the privately owned journal sacks all the profit.

                            in my opinion, the universities and public libraries should take it on them to publish their own journal. this makes sense since it is already part of the university's job to distribute knowledge (by educating students). and a journal is just that: a way to distribute knowledge.

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                            • N [email protected]

                              Apparently you don’t know what IP is. IP means you create a play, write a novel, write a scientific paper or record a tune. The person who created that IP owns it; it has a value (which does not have to be a monetary value), and that IP is protected by international laws. Making illegal copies of plays, books, movies, music or academic papers damages those IP rights. IP doesn’t mean things are hidden for use by others, it simple means the rights of the original artist or inventor are protected. Sure, some people complain that all of these things should be in the public domain - usually only up to the point where they start creating some IP themselves 😉 so, I do not object at all to share my scientific data, and in fact all my scientific data is available to anyone in the world. But I want to get credit for what I’ve done, I’m not investing dozens of years of my life into science for the well-being of humankind, and some ignorant people come and steal my rights and credit.

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                              Did you delete that because you realise how stupid the comment was? Because apparently you don't know what IP is either. It doesn't mean somebody can steal your work just because you give it for free it just means that people will be able to read it.

                              It worries me that you're apparently a scientist, hopefully not one in charge of hazardous materials because you sound like this sort of person that would get outwit by your own reflection.

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                                I'm struggling to think of an ethical reason not to pirate research papers. which research is done with public funding, and no money goes to the research team or anything involved with the actual research.

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                                  Over the last few years, my pirating became minimal, only a few times a year, when I couldn't find it on streaming.

                                  I find myself going back to pirating recently, for the simple reason that I WANT to screw over these propagandistic megacorps in every way possible. Fuck them, I'm not paying for it, I'm stealing it, and feeling really good about it.

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                                  • B [email protected]

                                    Over the last few years, my pirating became minimal, only a few times a year, when I couldn't find it on streaming.

                                    I find myself going back to pirating recently, for the simple reason that I WANT to screw over these propagandistic megacorps in every way possible. Fuck them, I'm not paying for it, I'm stealing it, and feeling really good about it.

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                                    Heck yeah. Rock on

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                                    • 4 [email protected]

                                      Thanks for letting the world know of another really bad site to totally avoid 😉

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                                      It's an especially bad site because it also has links to other external naughty services, like Z-library.

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                                        annas-archive.org

                                        You might have to switch your DNS to one that doesn't block based on copyright

                                        (e.g. Cloudflare: 1.1.1.1)

                                        Actually i think the effort they are making is cool. It goes well beyond piracy and I think is a good idea esp in face of the world rn.

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                                        "Actually i think the effort they are making is cool. It goes well beyond piracy and I think is a good idea esp in face of the world rn."

                                        I agree. I remember recently their blog had a post about how shadow libraries are more important now than they've ever been, and it made a compelling case. I started reading that piece expecting some thin justification about breaking the law (like a guy I knew who argued that it was ethical for him to deal drugs because the stuff he sold was super pure so it was basically harm reduction. It's not that I disagreed with that point per se, but rather that I knew it was just bullshit he told himself so he felt ethically okay doing the only job that was viable for him). In the case of Anna's Archive though, I was quite quickly won over by their arguments about the societal importance of the service (I was already won over on the individual benefit side of things)

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                                        • crazi_man@europe.pubC [email protected]

                                          You're still depriving the capitalists of their well deserved, hard earned money! (ಥ_ʖಥ)

                                          If anyone is interested, there's been an excellent episode recently on the "Behind the Bastards" podcast about Robert Maxwell and how he became a self made billionaire by inventing and fucking up modern scientific publishing with the support of British intelligence services.

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                                          I've not listened to that episode, but I remember that when I first learned about Robert Maxwell's legacy, I was astounded by also unsurprised (because it made a lot of things make sense in hindsight). As an ex-academic, I'm especially pissed off.

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