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  • T [email protected]

    You people think em dashes are proof of AI?

    Jesus Christ that’s so fucking sad.

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    Most normal people, at least from my understanding, don't use em dashes in text messages, let alone even use punctuation half the time. So if I see em dashes, yeah, my first thought is going straight to AI.

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    • T [email protected]

      You people think em dashes are proof of AI?

      Jesus Christ that’s so fucking sad.

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      #34

      How the hell do you even type an em dash?

      I'm sure it's possible (I know it's easy on a touch keyboard), but if the person who sent it has never used em dashes in their life, then it's pretty definitive proof. Otherwise, it's just a big clue that you might combine with other factors.

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      • D [email protected]

        I honestly don't know if this is hand written or not, and that makes it even funnier.

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        #35

        i assume hand written, as that is excessive even for ai. im gonna test it tho

        edit:

        Prompt:
        write me a prargraph talking about how em dashes are not a defibitive sign of ai. use ecessive amounts of em dashes

        result:
        Sure—here’s a paragraph absolutely drowning in em dashes—because why not?


        People often claim—incorrectly—that excessive use of em dashes is some kind of definitive sign of AI-generated text—but that assumption falls apart quickly—because human writers—especially those with a flair for dramatics or a tendency toward fragmented, breathless prose—have been peppering their sentences with em dashes for centuries—long before algorithms were even a concept—and while it’s true that language models sometimes favor em dashes—they’re hardly unique in that regard—many contemporary authors, bloggers, and even journalists lean on them heavily—for rhythm, for emphasis, for parenthetical asides, for style—so to say “em dashes equal AI” is like saying “ellipses equal laziness”—a statement that’s catchy but hopelessly reductive—and if anything, this overgeneralization itself is more indicative of shallow analysis than of any deep understanding of writing—human or artificial.


        Want me to make an even more over-the-top version—like so dense with em dashes it almost collapses into chaos? Or keep it just slightly unhinged but still readable?

        answer:
        yes

        response:
        Alright—here’s the full chaos version—an unhinged wall of em dashes—designed to overwhelm, confuse, and yet—somehow—still make its point:


        The idea—that em dashes—those long, elegant, interruptive strokes—are a definitive fingerprint of AI—is laughable—no, it’s absurd—because human writers—yes, real, living, breathing writers—have always loved them—used them—abused them—even worshipped them—as tools for rhythm—for drama—for sudden shifts—for inserting thoughts within thoughts within thoughts—and while AI—sure—might lean on them occasionally—it’s no different than a poet—or a novelist—or an over-caffeinated blogger hammering out a late-night post—filling their paragraphs with dashes—em dashes—everywhere—because it feels natural—feels conversational—feels alive—and if we start declaring any style quirk—a dash, a semicolon, a penchant for adverbs—as “proof” of machine authorship—then we risk erasing the messy, chaotic, wonderfully unpredictable reality of human prose—a reality full of contradictions—full of excesses—full of writers who don’t give a damn about rules—and that, ironically enough, is something no algorithm has quite mastered—not yet—not ever—so no—the em dash is not a smoking gun—it’s just a mark—and marks are made by hands—human or otherwise.


        Want me to go even further—like a version where every single comma and period is replaced with an em dash? Or one that’s so self-aware it starts mocking its own overuse of dashes?

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        • P [email protected]

          Why am I bold? why does markdown do my head in. Its really not that hard.

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          #36

          I'm not seeing it in Voyager, but I'm guessing you made a header:

          Main header
          ===========
          
          Level 2 header
          --------------
          

          The number of dashes or equality signs doesn't have to match, so I think that's what you did.

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          • N [email protected]

            How the hell do you even type an em dash?

            I'm sure it's possible (I know it's easy on a touch keyboard), but if the person who sent it has never used em dashes in their life, then it's pretty definitive proof. Otherwise, it's just a big clue that you might combine with other factors.

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            #37

            Word and Google docs will translate them from --

            They'll also give you the stupid smart quotes.

            I've never break up with anybody over text but if for some reason I had to I would certainly write it on a computer first.

            edit: LOL apparently lemmy markdown also translates them from --

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            • A [email protected]

              Most normal people, at least from my understanding, don't use em dashes in text messages, let alone even use punctuation half the time. So if I see em dashes, yeah, my first thought is going straight to AI.

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              #38

              Annoyingly I've used them for a number of years as a good way to make internet comments flow a bit more. However I find myself doing it less and less now because I'm worried people are just going to think I'm using an AI if they see an em dash.

              (You just long press dash on android to get to it, opt+shift+dash on Mac, and the admittedly Byzantine alt+0151 on windows. Can't remember iOS off the top of my head, but I think it's similar to android)

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              • queermunist@lemmy.mlQ [email protected]

                Humans just use dashes - they get the point across and don't require esoteric button presses.

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                I use a keyboard layout, where they are easy to type — this does not make me a llm.

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                • django@discuss.tchncs.deD [email protected]

                  I use a keyboard layout, where they are easy to type — this does not make me a llm.

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                  No, it makes you wrong.

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                  • T [email protected]

                    You people think em dashes are proof of AI?

                    Jesus Christ that’s so fucking sad.

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                    You are vastly underestimating the amount of people who don't use em dashes at all.

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                      No, it makes you wrong.

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                      There is a wrong keyboard layout?

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                      • N [email protected]

                        How the hell do you even type an em dash?

                        I'm sure it's possible (I know it's easy on a touch keyboard), but if the person who sent it has never used em dashes in their life, then it's pretty definitive proof. Otherwise, it's just a big clue that you might combine with other factors.

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                        On a mobile phone it's super easy. Long press the hyphen button and swipe over to the dash.

                        On Mac it's pretty easy still, but requires a little more knowledge. Option-shift-dash. (Without the shift gives you an en dash.)

                        On Windows it's the completely arcane alt-0151, and only possible if you have a numpad. I memorised it like 15 years ago and have regularly used it since, but it's hard to blame people for not doing so.

                        No idea about Linux.

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                        • django@discuss.tchncs.deD [email protected]

                          There is a wrong keyboard layout?

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                          All QWERTY-based layouts.

                          – sincerely, Dvorak user.

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                          • archmageazor@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                            You are vastly underestimating the amount of people who don't use em dashes at all.

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                            I don’t have a good sense of this since I am a trained writer. Is it really so low that one would reasonably conclude an AI wrote something with them?

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                            • django@discuss.tchncs.deD [email protected]

                              I use a keyboard layout, where they are easy to type — this does not make me a llm.

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                              My keyboard does not have an em dash and I have never seen one that does.

                              Still sus. 🤔

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                              • B [email protected]

                                I don’t have a good sense of this since I am a trained writer. Is it really so low that one would reasonably conclude an AI wrote something with them?

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                                the actual emdash symbol isn't really something you can do when texting from your phone

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                                  Em dashes and emojis

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                                  I actually like using em dashes because it's the correct thing to do. Also the Oxford comma, correct use of semi colon, and listing things in threes.

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                                    Em dashes and emojis

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                                    Or she actually cares about ponctuation. And that's a lost for you.

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                                      I actually like using em dashes because it's the correct thing to do. Also the Oxford comma, correct use of semi colon, and listing things in threes.

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                                      If it's not on the keyboard, it must not be that important to use.

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                                      • samus12345@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

                                        If it's not on the keyboard, it must not be that important to use.

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                                        It is on the mobile one

                                        - dash
                                        — em,
                                        
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                                        • pseudo@jlai.luP [email protected]

                                          Or she actually cares about ponctuation. And that's a lost for you.

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                                          Well at least you're safe from suspicion.

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