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Duckstation(one of the most popular PS1 Emulators) dev plans on eventually dropping Linux support due to Linux users, especially Arch Linux users.

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  • A [email protected]

    The answer for this guy and other people stretched by supporting Linux is to say it's flatpak or nothing. Stop trying to build for each dist because it's not sustainable. If someone on a dist wants to maintain a package then let them take the heat if it is broken.

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    If someone on a dist wants to maintain a package then let them take the heat if it is broken.

    That's quite literally what happened and why this guy is moaning though. Nobody asked him for an Arch build, people distribute it themselves on the AUR and he's annoyed anyway.

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    • izzyj@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

      So what other ps1/2 emulators are on Linux yall would recommend. I don't wanna support this dev

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      Mednafen is pretty great.

      MAME also has PSX emulation. It's marked as not working, but I've heard it's actually pretty good, and I got good results on the few games I tried.

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      • G [email protected]

        itt: a bunch of entitled Linux youths that don't understand burnout or QOL.

        dude has set a limit to what he wants or is willing to do. still gets called a bitch for defining the line and is still called an asshole.

        some of y'all even bring up multiple cases of other foss devs doing/saying the same thing, continue to call them assholes.

        🤔 There's a pattern here...but I'm just too blinded by the brilliancy of my distro to see it...

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        You might want to look up the meaning of the word "entitled".

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        • S [email protected]

          Normally you'd be right, but in this case the guy just actually does have a history of being an a****** to everybody. This is very much a case of a developer being the problem.

          He has a history of starting s*** being an a****** and then complaining when everyone else is an a****** to him.

          That's not even getting into. Basically every problem he is complaining about is of his own making or his own ignorance.

          The whole aur problem is because of his own, very likely illegal license change

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          You know, you don't need to censor yourself on here. I don't think anybody's going to be offended if you just write "shit" or "asshole".

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          • D [email protected]

            Interesting. The only thing i knew is: the escape key is really important for Unreal Tournament.

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            The original Unreal Tournament (or UT'99, or whatever) is also one of the very few modern-ish full screen games that had a drop down menu bar like you'd expect on a typical Windows application. The other one I can think of off the top of my head is ZSNES, although in that case they rolled their own solution. Not least of which because the original ZSNES was a DOS program (with huge chunks of it written in x86 assembly!) so they kind of didn't have a choice.

            If I remember right UT'99 actually did use Windows style accelerator keys in its menus, i.e. hold down Alt and press a letter to perform an action, which might just make all this malarkey peripherally relevant.

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            • whaleross@lemmy.worldW [email protected]

              Gamers can be the most entitled demanding assholes. Arch users can be the most annoying arrogant and conceited people to exist online.

              I wouldn't dare imagine dealing with the unholy mix of arch gamers min-maxing social skills for inferiority complex.

              I'd rather drop support too.

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              You mean "self-entitled". When you're "entitled", you are owed something.

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              • zarkanian@sh.itjust.worksZ [email protected]

                Why wouldn't I be entitled to tech support if they're offering tech support?

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                #284

                I meant it's not "toxic entitlement" like the other commenter I replied to claimed. Edited my original comment to hopefully be clearer.

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                • F [email protected]

                  As a linux user myself (arch) I wish the community would just pick a package manager and stick with it.

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                  They're not all identical in features and function though. Nix is different from Gentoo which is different from RPM. And they're all going to have drawbacks and in some cases, have complete showstoppers.

                  • Portage/Aur: Not everyone is gonna compile things and if you say use the pre-built options, then this isn't the right choice.
                  • Debian/RPM: You'll never get distro's to agree to release names or contents, like glibc and ssl versions
                  • Nix: Learning curve is murder. Not every app is made to be reproducible.
                  • FlatPak/Snap/AppImage: Loses almost all the advantages of a distro that we take for granted: CVE patching, tested updates, etc.

                  This is a brief, maybe even unfair overview but it's not as easy as "just pick one".

                  And this ignores the huge pantheon of "language package managers" like pip, gem, npm, cargo, cpan, maven, etc^infinity. Ideally these would just be build dep managers but you get a lot of apps packaged and distributed this way too. Some distro's/package systems bravely try to keep up but it's a losing battle.

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                  • A [email protected]

                    No, but carrying the grudge this long and vocally leaves me to wonder if the story is as crisp as put forth.

                    And FOSS die hards put many people off of lemmy early on.

                    Seek? Yes. Expect? No.

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                    Carrying a grudge? "This long and vocally"? Who? How?

                    And I'll say it again - it isn't toxic entitlement for users to expect to receive support on the platform they've been told to use to receive support. I'm not sure how you can argue differently, unless you twist words to the point of meaninglessness.

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                    • M [email protected]

                      It doesn't matter what the license say, because GitHub TOS (that everybody agree on when registering their account) explicitly allows forking any project hosted on GitHub, regardless of the project's license.

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                      Copyright is always about distribution. So yes, you are allowed to fork, but you are not allowed to distribute the copyrighted content to other people. And with the No Derivatives clause you are also not allowed to change it.
                      You might be able to stay in the gray are by telling everyone "build it yourself", but nobody would be allowed to package it either.

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                      • F [email protected]

                        As a linux user myself (arch) I wish the community would just pick a package manager and stick with it.

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                        Seems contrary to the nature of the Linux scene tbh

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                        • funnyusername@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                          this developer is a big prick. i had an issue (that turned out to be user error after getting help from another source) with the android version of duckstation so went to their discord for support. instead of offering any aid or insight, i was immediately stereotyped as "an android user" and told "we don't offer tech support for android" basically for no other reason than "because android users bitch too much and then give you a bad review," which is just kind of insane imo? there's no downside to bad reviews like you're not going to get delisted? anyways, completely not surprised to hear this from that ass. it genuinely seems like this guy hates developing duckstation at all and i am confused why he bothers. give it up man, sounds like you'll be happier

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                          I mean, he's not wrong, plenty of pre-release games allow you to download before it's out, then android users go and give it 1 star because the servers aren't open yet.

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                          • anyoldname3@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                            The licence doesn't permit derivative works, so no forks and no downstream packages.

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                            It's easy enough to fork the code as it existed under GPL3. Violentmonkey did that when they forked from Tampermonkey.

                            This dev also doesn't sound like he wants to put much effort into enforcing his license in the first place.

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                            • mudman@fedia.ioM [email protected]

                              It's one of them, and it's fine, but it's not what I've been using. I've been bouncing between PCSX and Beetle and they're both just fine. I mean, at this point PSX games run on anything.

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                              Fair enough. PS2 is still a pain.

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                              • F [email protected]

                                As a linux user myself (arch) I wish the community would just pick a package manager and stick with it.

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                                Sounds idealistic and raises some questions.

                                Why? Who decides? Who stops someone from introducing a new package manager? Why should a person developing a package manager be "stopped"?

                                I don't agree.

                                Devs could just provide a Dockerfile containing the build environment and a script. That would pair nicely with CI and automated builds.
                                No need to restrict package managers.
                                Also, flatpak exists.

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                                • burgerbaron@piefed.socialB [email protected]

                                  Please. Stenzek is smart but unhinged.

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                                  Fortunately, it looks like that was done already with Swanstation, which also has many more contributors.

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                                    Fortunately, it looks like that was done already with Swanstation, which also has many more contributors.

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                                    I hate TwinAphex's guts so I won't use Retroarch/Libretro.

                                    I got mednafen standalone for PS1.

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                                    • D [email protected]

                                      Valid points but the maintainer comes off as deranged.

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                                      No, Maintainer comes off as pissed off for dealing with a lot of headaches created by others creating a version he doesnt support, and doesnt want, yet is dealing with all the backlash and headache of.

                                      and to try to stem the tide, he created a package just for those people.. and they refuse to use it, continuing to use the broken version, and bombarding him with headaches over something that he, again, does not control.

                                      Only liars would say they wouldnt be pissed off dealing with such a situation.

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                                      • funnyusername@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                                        this developer is a big prick. i had an issue (that turned out to be user error after getting help from another source) with the android version of duckstation so went to their discord for support. instead of offering any aid or insight, i was immediately stereotyped as "an android user" and told "we don't offer tech support for android" basically for no other reason than "because android users bitch too much and then give you a bad review," which is just kind of insane imo? there's no downside to bad reviews like you're not going to get delisted? anyways, completely not surprised to hear this from that ass. it genuinely seems like this guy hates developing duckstation at all and i am confused why he bothers. give it up man, sounds like you'll be happier

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                                        Sounds like hes just tired of dealing with idiots.

                                        Which I can sympathise with.

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                                        • S [email protected]

                                          He changed the license so no one can legally help him. He kind of put himself in this position. And very likely did so illegally

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                                          OK I didn't know that, stupid move on his part then...
                                          What do you mean by likely illegally?

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