why the hell cant men stay out of women-only spaces?

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Bro you posted on a public fora you in rage bait format then doing pikachu face about it

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Actually they should be using an app similar to the one in Uk to confirm age but they need one for gender.

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Yeah, that's not what prejudice means.

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OK, I pulled out a computer for you so I could see the rules side by side with my post because my mobile client doesn't allow it.

Rule 1: Be nice and; have fun

Doxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, and toxicity are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here.

OP came in swinging hot, maybe a little toxic, but there are valid points behind the hot words.

However, OP has shown that they are able to accept other viewpoints from valid arguments (https://lemmy.ca/post/48960508/18080134). So I would argue this is borderline.

I have to say, I have no idea what sealioning is though.

Rule 5: This is not a support community.

It is not a place for ‘how do I?’, type questions. If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email [email protected]. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.

This isn't a "How do I". This is an open ended attempt (with some frustration) to try to under why members of the community do certain things.

That's my view anyway. What's yours?

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Sure, let's consult merriam webster again since you are dinging me on dictionary definitions:
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prejudice

1
a
: an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics
b(1)
: an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge
(2)
: preconceived judgment or opinion
c
: an instance of such opinion or judgment
2
: injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights
especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims

You are firmly under 1b2 and 1c.

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Neither of those apply to anything I've said. They're quite a stretch. You're just wrong, and certainly not because of your gender, which I do not know.

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Would be nice if Lemmy and Piefed had a way to limit posting and commenting to subscribers. That should at least stop accidental comments while keeping visibility.

Not for me, because I'm aubscribed because I'm curious and might want to share interesting threads with my wife.

Anyways, brb making a feature request.

Edit: [email protected] moved to Piefed, so the feature request should be made there. And I just lost a half typed request to Android's bullshit memory management and now I don't have any energy left. Someone else can take over.

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I shared my view and left the community. Was something about my comment unclear?

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Man here, there have been several times when I have found a thread talking about men and shitting all over all men and painting with broad strokes, claiming that we are all awful and just looking to use women.

I feel offended at indirectly being included in a group like that, and have joined in discussions in the past to try and explain that we are not all terrible people.

Over time however, I have learned to ignore the hate spewers and just move on.

Personally, if I see a community where the rules are politely explaining the situation, I just block the community out of respect for the xommunity.

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Lemmy is a public space. Everyone can participate.

Imagine if lemmy was a physical piece of public land. Could you create a community on it that can only be accessed by women? Something like this village?

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Are women allowed to answer this question? It's directed at men.

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Sealioning is when someone pretends to be 'just asking questions' in good faith in an attempt to sow discord in a community.

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For the same reason why women can't stay out of male-only spaces. Women have been demonizing male-only spaces for decades. If male-only spaces are bad, female-only spaces are bad... I see no other 'equal law for all genders' reasonable outcome

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Those people hate people who come in and say "not all men." They will say that it's obvious they are not talking about all men. They don't feel like they should make the disclaimer. We have the complaints about "not all men" men here in this very thread.

But what are you going to do? That's just how women are.

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I apologize for the shitty behavior of other men.

That being said, how do you feel about men reading those posts on women only communities, if they don't reply, comment or vote?

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Based on the comments here and in the previous similar post I have seen, the vast, vast majority of people (presumably men) highlight how this is a problem of visibility of posts in public feeds.

It's a tradeoff between having the community public for discoverability and accepting that many people will not check the rules and violate them, some inadvertently.

The alternative is to make the community private, and accept that women will need to discover a women-relates community by searching for "women", which doesn't seem incredibly unlikely.

From the sentiments I read, most people wouldn't care at all if the community was private and wouldn't have a desire to "invade" it. I definitely feel part of this group.

Considering that it's in the interest of the community (apparently) to have only women, I think it's fair to expect the (minimal) effort from future members to look for it (plus advertising it in posts etc.) on them instead of expecting the vast majority of the users (the fediverse is mostly males) to add friction and having to check the rules of every single community of every post they open (now it might be a community, more might come). Yes, community rules are important, but being realistic, if you don't behave like an asshole you don't need to worry about them in 99% of the times.

However, if this tradeoff is not deemed acceptable, I think there is no point complaining about people "invading" women spaces because it's guaranteed that many people will comment without reading the rules, as I am sure the almost totality of users does all the time. Even without counting the ones who intentionally violate the rule, there is always going to be an organic amount of people who will do so inadvertently.

At this point I think the tradeoff is so clear, that discussing the topic in such a confrontational way looks more like rage-bait than anything aimed at solving the problem.

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Ask the UK government

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I didn’t see why it was a clear violation of rule 5. I was wondering why you thought it was

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It's not immediately obvious when it appears in your feed, I also don't think people expect to be excluded due to protected characteristics. I know I wouldn't have expected a community to discriminate.

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Yeah I blocked it too, but it probably sucks for new users that are just commenting on posts they see because they are popular

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why the hell cant men stay out of women-only spaces?