Me too, man
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School is just to prepare you for working in a capitalistic hellhole.
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i still have nightmares about school
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Yep. Ours went from 0730 or so to 3:30. But it was a somewhat rural area, so if you took the bus you’d have to be on the bus by 0640-45, which means getting up at 0600 or so, and not getting home until after 4 pm. Then there was homework…
E: just looked at my former school’s sked. Started at 07:25AM.
And god forbid you do a sport or have a job after school
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Hey what's wrong with going to bed at 8pm
My mom don’t get home until 9pm most days from her second job. Sometimes later. My dad was a truck driver so I barely saw him. No one really taught me to take care of myself so I was stuck eating tv dinners most of the time. In that scenario going to sleep at 8pm is damn near impossible.
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Yea that only happens because capitalism needs your parents to slave their ass off which can only happen if their kids go to school earlier than their already early starting job
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Then you get old and look forward to getting in bed by 8PM.
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Schools - and some businesses - see getting up early as some kind of achievement, a trait to be proud of. A thought that was mirrored in the influencer scene with the insane 'grindset' videos. Get up early and get done more than the others... Completely ignoring that the amount of sleep we need doesn't change with how early you get up.
Some people get up early and have no problem with that, but that's not the case for everyone. In the dawn of time, it was better to have some people who get up early and some who prefer to stay up late: that way the tribe was better protected because the time where everyone was sleeping was minimized.
Now everyone who biologically tends to be more productive when they can work late and get up late is painted as lazy and forced to work against their inner clock.
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Schools - and some businesses - see getting up early as some kind of achievement, a trait to be proud of. A thought that was mirrored in the influencer scene with the insane 'grindset' videos. Get up early and get done more than the others... Completely ignoring that the amount of sleep we need doesn't change with how early you get up.
Some people get up early and have no problem with that, but that's not the case for everyone. In the dawn of time, it was better to have some people who get up early and some who prefer to stay up late: that way the tribe was better protected because the time where everyone was sleeping was minimized.
Now everyone who biologically tends to be more productive when they can work late and get up late is painted as lazy and forced to work against their inner clock.
Actually, many teachers oppose early start times, and perfect attendance awards are disappearing every year, too.
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Unpopular opinion, even if people didn’t wake up at 6:30 people would still be complaining [insert time here] is to early
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Hey what's wrong with going to bed at 8pm
Well, when you get out of your after school activities around 1700-1800 hours, and then have to spend another hour or two, minimum, on homework and projects, and then want to have a little bit of socializing and play squeezed in after the required time spent with family....
Yeah, good luck with that 8pm thing.
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Every year I tell timetabling "don't inflict 9am classes on my students, it provably punishes poorer students (commute costs) and drives poor engagement", every year they ignore me.
Many of your teachers hated morning classes too.
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"Should" is doing some heavy lifting here.
Sleep patterns start changing around puberty. Young kids tend to get up earlier, naturally; teenage biorhythms are tuned to stay up later, and sleep late.
But we don't have a society where it's safe to let teens run around by themselves, except for some rural communities, so schedules are based - as GP says - around parent's schedules. And because of workplace demands, whether it's a reasonable requirement because the job demands an in-person presence like the service sector, or because of idiotic, arbitrary in-office policies, that usually means parents need to have their kids in school before 8, or 8:30 if they're lucky, so they can be at their desks by the standard 9am.
Little kids, this is less of an issue, but it really fucks with teenager's biorhythms, because they're designed to be sleeping until 10 and going to sleep at midnight at that age.
There's a ton of studies about this, and there's been a lot of work by K-12 to figure out how to accommodate a balance; and some companies even have policies allowing for flex time to help, but on average - as usual - Corporate America fucks it up.
But we don’t have a society where it’s safe to let teens run around by themselves,
Really? By all accounts it is safer now than ever AND has tracking if you want. Add to that the fact that every teen I know left to their own devices would not bother running around anyways. They would stay at their computer/tablet/phone as long as they could.
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Schools near me have shifted high school start times to later. Its been that was for years now.
It is really weird to see it in mainstream news now, and even RFK is for it (that fucking weirdo).
I thought letting teens sleep in late was blue state woke and would never be nationwide.
Fox news found a Hypnotist that said teens should sleep later. A hypnotist... really fox? Even when they are right they are still stupid fucks.
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Highschool used to start at 7:00 for me. Then I got into college and I could make my own schedule, so I picked a lot of afternoon classes, it was awesome.
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That's about how ours went. I usually went to bed around midnight, and usually would fall asleep during some class or another.
I recently found a report card from my senior year, apparently I took AP Economics that year and it was the last class of the day for me. I don't remember doing it at all, but I was getting an A- at the time.
I'm sure those two little personal stories are unrelated.
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One reason for the early starts for high schools is that by staggering the start times for high school, middle school, and elementary school, school districts can use fewer buses and fewer drivers. If all the schools started at the same (more reasonable) time, you'd need three times as many buses and drivers and each driver would only get one or two hours a day (and thus would find something else to do, making the existing shortage of drivers even worse). The district I drive for has a transportation budget of about $3 million a year - we would not be able to afford $9 million a year and still afford our administrators' enormous salaries.
If you just started all schools later by an hour, the elementary school kids would start at 9:30 AM which would not work out very well, either.
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One reason for the early starts for high schools is that by staggering the start times for high school, middle school, and elementary school, school districts can use fewer buses and fewer drivers. If all the schools started at the same (more reasonable) time, you'd need three times as many buses and drivers and each driver would only get one or two hours a day (and thus would find something else to do, making the existing shortage of drivers even worse). The district I drive for has a transportation budget of about $3 million a year - we would not be able to afford $9 million a year and still afford our administrators' enormous salaries.
If you just started all schools later by an hour, the elementary school kids would start at 9:30 AM which would not work out very well, either.
If I remember correctly most of the suggestions to account for that actually has elementary and middle schoolers start before high schoolers since high schoolers are the ones that need the most sleep while also struggling the most to go to sleep early
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Yea that only happens because capitalism needs your parents to slave their ass off which can only happen if their kids go to school earlier than their already early starting job
Generally, I don't think that applies to high schoolers. They can manage themselves in the morning. We should have their school start last
America also has some deep structural issues that children aren't able to get to school by themselves. In Japan, grade school children are able to get to and from school by themselves in most of the country. In America, parents aren't allowed to leave children unattended, and certainly aren't allowed to let them go to school alone
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One reason for the early starts for high schools is that by staggering the start times for high school, middle school, and elementary school, school districts can use fewer buses and fewer drivers. If all the schools started at the same (more reasonable) time, you'd need three times as many buses and drivers and each driver would only get one or two hours a day (and thus would find something else to do, making the existing shortage of drivers even worse). The district I drive for has a transportation budget of about $3 million a year - we would not be able to afford $9 million a year and still afford our administrators' enormous salaries.
If you just started all schools later by an hour, the elementary school kids would start at 9:30 AM which would not work out very well, either.
My school district solves this by not having busses at all
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I was in my late 20s when I realised just how much stress morning stuff is causing me, and had caused me for two decades.
(my solution was just to come to the office at 11 most days & now I also sleep more hours on average, but that's is a separate issue for me)
