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    I'm currently reading 4000 weeks by Oliver Burkeman and it really hits home.

    Burkeman is a former productivity guru that has tried all kinds of productivity tools and lifehacks only to realize that trying to get more efficient only results in keeping you even more busy.

    People are always striving for that next step to get to a mythical point in life where they think they can relax and enjoy life, and for most of us, that point never comes, because we're too busy trying to get there

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    I've done almost the opposite lol. I've got my shit dialed I can get paid more for less. We gotta live life, not be a slave to it.

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    • vanth@reddthat.comV [email protected]

      I've been working on deconstructing my childhood, being raised as a young earth creationist. I long since dropped theism, but am still trying to clean up some of the side effects. The talk.origins newsgroup has been invaluable. So many of the things I was taught, I didn't even know were specifically creationist BS because they were all I heard from the time I was a baby.

      I'm always down for recommendations on "adults should know this basic science 101".

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      There’s some great podcasts out there that really focus on the science. Science VS comes to mind, as does Factually

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        I'm currently reading 4000 weeks by Oliver Burkeman and it really hits home.

        Burkeman is a former productivity guru that has tried all kinds of productivity tools and lifehacks only to realize that trying to get more efficient only results in keeping you even more busy.

        People are always striving for that next step to get to a mythical point in life where they think they can relax and enjoy life, and for most of us, that point never comes, because we're too busy trying to get there

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        What does the name refer to?

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        • N [email protected]

          What books or articles have you read recently that fundamentally shifted the way you think about the world, and how you interact with it (work, social, play, whatever)?

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          Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality is a great read that really explains how to think rationally, and also fixes some issues with the source material.

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            Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality is a great read that really explains how to think rationally, and also fixes some issues with the source material.

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            For a really fun rabbit hole, follow author Eliezer Yudkowsky to LessWrong, his community blog/forum/rationalist community, to the Zizians with their attempted seasteading and string of murders.

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              What's the gist? Or, what did it change about your worldview?

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              Bearing in mind it came out in 2003? It basically predicted how the rich would try to use AI to replace as many of the working poor as possible. It was incredibly bleak, talking about how as the software and hardware advanced, more and more people's job's were destroyed and slowly people were rounded up into government housing projects. If memory serves, it was almost like a prison.

              Then the main character/narrator gets to escape to Australia (which is kind of lol but I digress) where they used AI to create a utopian post-scarcity society, and it went over all the way you could use things like brain-interfacing chips to make life easy and wonderful; how people shared what resources they had so everyone had plenty. You could basically 3-D print yourself a house if you wanted.

              Seeing how things have developed much more closely to one timeline than the other is very depressing. But it definitely woke me up to thoughts like "Tech is not inherently evil but can be used in very evil ways." (Which feels like not much of a revelation but I was a teenager then, so it was a shock at the time.)

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                What does the name refer to?

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                4000 weeks is about the average lifespan

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                • vanth@reddthat.comV [email protected]

                  For a really fun rabbit hole, follow author Eliezer Yudkowsky to LessWrong, his community blog/forum/rationalist community, to the Zizians with their attempted seasteading and string of murders.

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                  Behind the Bastards did a four-part series on the Zizians, I highly recommend it

                  https://open.spotify.com/episode/4QEmgDQ7dj0Z1eY5OfF4tG

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                  • N [email protected]

                    What books or articles have you read recently that fundamentally shifted the way you think about the world, and how you interact with it (work, social, play, whatever)?

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                    I read it a couple years ago, but Doppelgänger by Naomi Klein. It did such a good job helping me understand what happened with the conspiracy mirror world that rose up during Covid.

                    More recently? Yes, You Are Trans Enough by Mia Violet helped me come to understand myself a lot better.

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                    • N [email protected]

                      What books or articles have you read recently that fundamentally shifted the way you think about the world, and how you interact with it (work, social, play, whatever)?

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                      Quantum Psychology by Robert Anton Wilson.

                      So fun.

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                      • vanth@reddthat.comV [email protected]

                        I've been working on deconstructing my childhood, being raised as a young earth creationist. I long since dropped theism, but am still trying to clean up some of the side effects. The talk.origins newsgroup has been invaluable. So many of the things I was taught, I didn't even know were specifically creationist BS because they were all I heard from the time I was a baby.

                        I'm always down for recommendations on "adults should know this basic science 101".

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                        It took me a long time to recover from the cult I was raised in, too. Every time I think I've got it all out of my system, some new insight comes to light and shocks me all over again. Like reading Chris Hedge's 2006(or 7, I forget) book Totalitarianism in America. It goes over how the Dominionism Cult my mom was in in the 90s started in the 70s and is behind the US's current political takeover attempt.

                        Just keep educating yourself like you have been, and you'll be alright 💜 Just don't get down on yourself when more ingrained dogma pops up, be glad you noticed it instead!

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                          Quantum Psychology by Robert Anton Wilson.

                          So fun.

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                          What's the gist?

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                            What books or articles have you read recently that fundamentally shifted the way you think about the world, and how you interact with it (work, social, play, whatever)?

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                            The opening of the wikipedia article on feedback systems:

                            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback

                            The notion of cause-and-effect has to be handled carefully when applied to feedback systems:

                            Simple causal reasoning about a feedback system is difficult because the first system influences the second and second system influences the first, leading to a circular argument. This makes reasoning based upon cause and effect tricky, and it is necessary to analyze the system as a whole.

                            Almost all real world systems are feedback systems, from biology, to politics and government, to interpersonal relations. Yet people's instinct is almost always to try and reason through things using cause and effect when that's often not helpful. When people realize this, they often say 'oh it's a chicken and egg thing's or 'oh it's impossible to say who did what' and throw up their hands and give up. But it's not impossible to analyze feedback systems, nor to figure out relative contributions to them, nor to figure out ways to break out of cycles. But you need to impartially examine the system as a whole, you can't just try and play the blame game.

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                              Bearing in mind it came out in 2003? It basically predicted how the rich would try to use AI to replace as many of the working poor as possible. It was incredibly bleak, talking about how as the software and hardware advanced, more and more people's job's were destroyed and slowly people were rounded up into government housing projects. If memory serves, it was almost like a prison.

                              Then the main character/narrator gets to escape to Australia (which is kind of lol but I digress) where they used AI to create a utopian post-scarcity society, and it went over all the way you could use things like brain-interfacing chips to make life easy and wonderful; how people shared what resources they had so everyone had plenty. You could basically 3-D print yourself a house if you wanted.

                              Seeing how things have developed much more closely to one timeline than the other is very depressing. But it definitely woke me up to thoughts like "Tech is not inherently evil but can be used in very evil ways." (Which feels like not much of a revelation but I was a teenager then, so it was a shock at the time.)

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                              Oh yeah, that sounds like a trip.

                              As an Aussie, I approve.

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                                The opening of the wikipedia article on feedback systems:

                                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback

                                The notion of cause-and-effect has to be handled carefully when applied to feedback systems:

                                Simple causal reasoning about a feedback system is difficult because the first system influences the second and second system influences the first, leading to a circular argument. This makes reasoning based upon cause and effect tricky, and it is necessary to analyze the system as a whole.

                                Almost all real world systems are feedback systems, from biology, to politics and government, to interpersonal relations. Yet people's instinct is almost always to try and reason through things using cause and effect when that's often not helpful. When people realize this, they often say 'oh it's a chicken and egg thing's or 'oh it's impossible to say who did what' and throw up their hands and give up. But it's not impossible to analyze feedback systems, nor to figure out relative contributions to them, nor to figure out ways to break out of cycles. But you need to impartially examine the system as a whole, you can't just try and play the blame game.

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                                Thanks for reminding me to add this here! Wiki link from another lemmy user a few days ago I found incredibly helpful in reframing things from "right vs left" to a broader, less politicized view that just speaks to human nature: tolerance vs intolerance - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

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                                  The opening of the wikipedia article on feedback systems:

                                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback

                                  The notion of cause-and-effect has to be handled carefully when applied to feedback systems:

                                  Simple causal reasoning about a feedback system is difficult because the first system influences the second and second system influences the first, leading to a circular argument. This makes reasoning based upon cause and effect tricky, and it is necessary to analyze the system as a whole.

                                  Almost all real world systems are feedback systems, from biology, to politics and government, to interpersonal relations. Yet people's instinct is almost always to try and reason through things using cause and effect when that's often not helpful. When people realize this, they often say 'oh it's a chicken and egg thing's or 'oh it's impossible to say who did what' and throw up their hands and give up. But it's not impossible to analyze feedback systems, nor to figure out relative contributions to them, nor to figure out ways to break out of cycles. But you need to impartially examine the system as a whole, you can't just try and play the blame game.

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                                  Haha, absolutely agree, and thanks for a second reason to spruik [email protected] in one thread 😍

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                                  • T [email protected]

                                    I'm currently reading 4000 weeks by Oliver Burkeman and it really hits home.

                                    Burkeman is a former productivity guru that has tried all kinds of productivity tools and lifehacks only to realize that trying to get more efficient only results in keeping you even more busy.

                                    People are always striving for that next step to get to a mythical point in life where they think they can relax and enjoy life, and for most of us, that point never comes, because we're too busy trying to get there

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                                    Sounds like an interesting read. The premise makes sense. Take the washing machine for example. Before the advent of the automatic washer, women spent most of their time cooking and doing laundry. Incredibly time consuming manual labor.

                                    Washing machines freed up a ton of time but also require complex infrastructure to operate. Same for any other "time saving" appliance.

                                    The comforts and conveniences enjoyed by much of modern society are unparalleled by any other point in history but just maintaining all those comforts and conveniences is a ton of work in itself.

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                                      Thanks for reminding me to add this here! Wiki link from another lemmy user a few days ago I found incredibly helpful in reframing things from "right vs left" to a broader, less politicized view that just speaks to human nature: tolerance vs intolerance - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

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                                      Not entirely sure how this relates to feedbacks.. But if you're interested in the paradox of tolerance, you might also find this interesting - reframing the problem as a social construct removes the paradox: https://conversational-leadership.net/tolerance-is-a-social-contract/

                                      (note: I just skimmed that version, there might be better versions of this argument out there)

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                                        Sounds like an interesting read. The premise makes sense. Take the washing machine for example. Before the advent of the automatic washer, women spent most of their time cooking and doing laundry. Incredibly time consuming manual labor.

                                        Washing machines freed up a ton of time but also require complex infrastructure to operate. Same for any other "time saving" appliance.

                                        The comforts and conveniences enjoyed by much of modern society are unparalleled by any other point in history but just maintaining all those comforts and conveniences is a ton of work in itself.

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                                        One example he gives is Facebook - it allows you to keep track of events you might like to go to, which seems convenient, but then it will show you hundreds of other events you might want to go to, much more than a single person can visit.

                                        Another example is food delivery - in the US there was even one company advertising with the fact that when you order food, you can do so without having to interact with anyone. While that might be convenient, a lot of neighborhoods lose cohesion, because people stop meeting each other at the local takeout or have a small interaction with the people behind the counter there. The gist of it is, that it's okay for some things to be a little less convenient, because there is always a cost involved.

                                        What he promotes is to accept that you can't get everything done. You have limited time, and sometimes you'll have to accept that the laundry might pile up while you are working on your book/application/... whatever.

                                        It also puts in perspective what you are actually working for - he quotes the parable of the businessman and the Greek fisherman to illustrate.

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                                          I've done almost the opposite lol. I've got my shit dialed I can get paid more for less. We gotta live life, not be a slave to it.

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                                          Agreed, but automation is not always the same as increased efficiency.

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