Mozilla under fire for Firefox AI "bloat" that blows up CPU and drains battery
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Their revenue is fine. They just waste it on unnecessary bullshit.
They're a business, after all. They don't care about their products. They care about doing the least amount of work while making the most amount of money.
It's not about keeping the lights on. It's about living as luxurious a life as possible.
wrote last edited by [email protected]They care about doing the least amount of work while making the most amount of money.
I mean that's what capitalism does in a nutshell. Lower costs and increase the price. It's optimized for profit, not for the best product, unfortunately. The only thing that should keep it within lines is competition, but if the competition isn't any better it won't help
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They are all out of date, updates just take longer to arrive including security patches. Just use base Firefox and configure it as needed.
Always the answer until it goes to complete shit. Folks will always suggest other forks, but in the same breath describe them as subpar compared to Firefox base. FF is still best, just tweak it a smidge, browse away.
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Firefox is a good example of "either you die a hero or live long enoigh to see yourself become the villian"
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This. It costs hundreds of millions per year to develop a web renderer. The security expertise required in particular is immense.
People have made clear they will not pay for browsers. At the same time, Mozilla doesn't want to hoover up mountains of personally identifiable information like Google and MS do.
People hate Mozilla for doing what they can to make money, and they also hate the idea of paying.
I understand the frustration, but I genuinely don't know what the community expects.
Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with or see sense in every Mozilla decision, but people act like they're satan incarnate and it's just ridiculous.
The community are idiots.
They just want free shit. They claim they would love to pay but look at the percentage of donations things like VLC get, they won't pay.
Google likely spends over a billion dollars a year developing Chrome and everyone likes to talk about how AI might upset web search forgetting that what is where Mozilla's money comes from.
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Well this is obviously personal to some degree, but for me it would be to fix bugs, don't crash, dont make me restart after an update and lose my incognito tabs, focus on being w3c compliant, block ads, maybe allow blocking annoying cookie banners and maybe allow good keyboard navigation. I like some features other browsers have, such as integrated tor browsing - but since I am not a big fan of bloat, I'm not sure whether that should be handled outside of the browser
block ads, maybe allow blocking annoying cookie banners and maybe allow good keyboard navigation.
those are/could be browsing extensions. i don't see why the browser should integrate ad blocking when it could just be an extension (that could be installed by default, like how librewolf has ublock origin installed by default).
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Which fork should I be using? I am already using IronFox on Android and I'm loving it. What about Linux? What's your favourite?
Librewolf, with the Cascade CSS theme. I used to use Zen Browser but honestly I don't really like vertical tabs that much.
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block ads, maybe allow blocking annoying cookie banners and maybe allow good keyboard navigation.
those are/could be browsing extensions. i don't see why the browser should integrate ad blocking when it could just be an extension (that could be installed by default, like how librewolf has ublock origin installed by default).
Fair, I'm all in for de-bloating! The only problem with plugins is that it can become increasingly difficult to provide the same quality of testing and quality, because you can't possibly test all combinations of enabled plugins - even if most don't interfere with each other, it can easily break stuff
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I wish Mozilla would just debloat the browser, focus on performance and making browsing a good experience. But unfortunately their revenue situation is bad. At this stage, they won't even manage to survive through donations after annoying their main user base.
I just wish they'd decouple the browser and the gecko rendering engine. You could do all sorts of neat stuff with that engine.
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Bless your heart.
They will do whatever they believe will maximize profit.
I thought mozilla was a non profit?
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Why not add this features as browser extension?
If a browser only aims at tech savvy people, practically no one will end up using it.
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I thought mozilla was a non profit?
Non-profit isn't the same as not-for-profit
Take American Red Cross
They make bank on blood donations. Also, they take in way more than they put out.
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Firefox is a good example of "either you die a hero or live long enoigh to see yourself become the villian"
So is RHEL.
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Firefox is a good example of "either you die a hero or live long enoigh to see yourself become the villian"
It's also an example of a smaller company trying fight a mega Corp with infinite money, gained via unethical means.
People are shitting on Firefox while ignoring what they are up against.
I have no solution for their funding issue, what are they supposed to do? Charge for the browser or ads? There's literally no other alternative and I don't know what the solution is.
What I do know is that once FF dies and chrome fully owns the web we are well and truly fucked.
Honesty it might already be too late.
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I wish Mozilla would just debloat the browser, focus on performance and making browsing a good experience. But unfortunately their revenue situation is bad. At this stage, they won't even manage to survive through donations after annoying their main user base.
That's basically what LibreWolf does.
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I thought mozilla was a non profit?
Non profits do have corporate leeches too. The executives at Mozilla have executive salaries. That is, hundreds of thousands, or millions.
They don't work out of the goodness of their hearts. And Mozilla has to find a way to earn the income to pay their bloated salaries.
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The problem is that it's opt-out and not opt-in, and it should be opt-in.
why should it be opt in when it literally takes a second to disable?
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Bless your heart.
They will do whatever they believe will maximize profit.
That is disingenuous.
People underestimate the cost of building a fucking browser, it's not the equivalent of maintaining a array sort app on fucking github.
Some random dude promising to "donate from time to time" is not a valid business model.
I wish they'd strip down and just focus on the browser, but fund it HOW? Ads? Subscription?
The reason a lot of companies are doing AI shit is essentially RD shooting in the dark, hoping something will pan out.
You have to do this if you are a tech company and want to survive in the future.
It's fun to meme on ai and but that shit is coming and pretending it doesn't exist or has no value simply isn't true.
So I ask everyone again, what business model exists for a software company to make money without ads or charging a monthly subscription.
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It's also an example of a smaller company trying fight a mega Corp with infinite money, gained via unethical means.
People are shitting on Firefox while ignoring what they are up against.
I have no solution for their funding issue, what are they supposed to do? Charge for the browser or ads? There's literally no other alternative and I don't know what the solution is.
What I do know is that once FF dies and chrome fully owns the web we are well and truly fucked.
Honesty it might already be too late.
How does adding AI help their funding?
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why should it be opt in when it literally takes a second to disable?
For the same reason that "send me your advertising" ticky-boxes on website sign-ups should not be ticked by default: because the "feature" is detrimental to many (if not most) users and you have to spot the control before you can disable it. Worse, in this case many ignorant users won't make the connection between this misfeature and the fact that their laptop is suddenly burning through its battery in double-time—they'll just assume Firefox is now broken.
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I like the tab groups.
And nobody should stop you installing an extension that provides tab groups. I agree with the other commentator that some features can be left to extensions and don't need to be part of the core web browser, though.
True, but I'm not sure that an extension would have the necessary access to manipulate the browser like that. I don't think it should. A malicious extension could do horrible things.
