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  • merc@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

    This is a bit weird since normally copyright applies to works that someone has created. Typically they also have to involve creativity. For example, you can't protect a database with copyright, nor can you protect the rules of a game. But, you can protect the text used to explain the rules since that is something creative.

    Your voice and body aren't typically seen as creative works. They're just the result of a genetic lottery played by your parents. But, I can vaguely see how you might be able to twist the typical rules to make it count. For example, people decide on hair styles and grooming. They choose their clothing and sometimes make-up. There is a creative process there and their body is the canvas. With that kind of concept of a body being a "creative work", any photograph of that body becomes a derivative work, as would any AI version of that person.

    But, this seems like the wrong approach to me. If someone has a copyright on their body, then under typical copyright rules, they can assign their copyright to someone else. Most likely, a model would have to assign the right to her body's copyright to a modelling agency. After she did that, she couldn't even take a selfie because she'd be infringing on the modelling agency's copyright.

    Privacy rules make more sense, look at Germany's photographic privacy laws for example.

    If the focus is on copyright, then if someone sneaks a camera into a changing room, they can only be charged with copyright violations. If they give the photos away for free, then in many cases the punishment for copyright infringement is minimal. But, if the laws are about protecting privacy, then it doesn't matter if it was a commercial copyright infringement or if it was simply collecting someone's nude photo for personal use. The issue isn't the copyright infringement, it's the privacy violation.

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    I can only assume that this has to do with international law. Copyright is pretty well protected and has a huge lobby behind it. Whereas nobody actually seems to care about privacy.

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      I can only assume that this has to do with international law. Copyright is pretty well protected and has a huge lobby behind it. Whereas nobody actually seems to care about privacy.

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      You might think that, but try using Google's Street View in Germany. Almost the entire country is unavailable due to their privacy laws.

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        When I was a kid and wanted to see porn of a certain person or celebrity, i found a look a like porn actress like god intended!

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          Great in theory but seems almost impossible to enforce outside of their own country. Should be interesting to see how it works out though.

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            I'm a twin. Who owns the face? Implicit trust with two sigs required?

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            I think there are no twins in Denmark

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            • merc@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

              You might think that, but try using Google's Street View in Germany. Almost the entire country is unavailable due to their privacy laws.

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              that was the case a couple years back. Germany is now pretty well-covered by Street View

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                Just a license to the rights.

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                Slapping that AGPL-3.0 on my body.

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                  WoW, for me it was already a default... what happens with twins?

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                    What happen with twins? As others say, privacy law approach is better than this...

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                      Sounds like this is not true as written.

                      A copyright does not attach to a natural thing. It attaches to an original expression of a human author fixed in a tangible medium.

                      A photo or a painting of a face can have copyright protection, a face cannot.
                      A recording or mix including a voice can have copyright protection, a voice cannot.

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                      • sircac@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                        What happen with twins? As others say, privacy law approach is better than this...

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                        Parents have to decide which twin is the official release

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                          Sounds like this is not true as written.

                          A copyright does not attach to a natural thing. It attaches to an original expression of a human author fixed in a tangible medium.

                          A photo or a painting of a face can have copyright protection, a face cannot.
                          A recording or mix including a voice can have copyright protection, a voice cannot.

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                          I found something more informative over here:

                          With the new s. 73 a, a proposal is made to introduce a ban on deepfakes of natural persons' personal, physical characteristics. Personal, physical characteristics are to be understood as the traits and features that define a person and are unique to the individual, such as appearance, voice, movements, etc.

                          What is special about the proposed provision is that, unlike other provisions of the Copyright Act, it does not require the existence of a copyright-protected "work" or "performance", but the protection rather covers all natural persons. This applies regardless of whether they are artists or creators in the legal sense.

                          Thus, the protection comprises the unique characteristics of individuals, which are closely linked to one's person. For this reason, it is also proposed that consent to public disclosure must be given individually, and the area cannot be covered by a collective licence agreement.

                          The ban only applies to the public disclosure of deepfakes, meaning that there is nothing preventing deepfakes from being made available within the private sphere – such as at a private party or in relation to the right of reproduction.

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                          • bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.deB [email protected]

                            At least in Germany it has been a thing for decades. It's called "Recht am eigenen Bild" - "right to your own image". Meaning nobody can just take a photo or recording of you and post it online or use it in advertising or so without your approval.

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                            This is the law in all EU member states. What the article is discussing is different. Technically, a deepfake of you is not a photograph of you, unless you can reliably prove that a photograph of you was used to create it. Of course, it had to be, but a court will never accept "that's how deepfakes work" as evidence.

                            The new Danish law is forbidding anyone from making anything that closely resembles you, meaning nobody can make a deepfake of you, regardless of whether or not it's proven that a real picture of you was used. Just like you cannot create anything that closely resembles any other copyright-protected content, regardless of whether or not you use any of the original creator's material in the process.

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                              I can only assume that this has to do with international law. Copyright is pretty well protected and has a huge lobby behind it. Whereas nobody actually seems to care about privacy.

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                              More like they want to push copyright enforcement/expansion by using something people care about. Similar to "think of the children".

                              They did try to push copyright as a solution to revenge porn, in effect pushing a private alternative justice system based on DMCAs and payment processor blackmail.

                              We should get bespoke laws to deal with deepfake problems.

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                                People will still create deepfakes (you know what I mean, lol). Although they'd need to be stupid to share them online.

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                                  When I was a kid and wanted to see porn of a certain person or celebrity, i found a look a like porn actress like god intended!

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                                  My cousin for a few years dated a woman who was a dead ringer for Angelina Jolie and was actually named Evalena Marie. She moved to LA and was trying to be a serious actress but never made it big because everyone assumed she was a porn actress taking advantage of her similarity to Jolie.

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                                    When I was a kid and wanted to see porn of a certain person or celebrity, i found a look a like porn actress like god intended!

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                                    i mean, we probably do it unconsciously when watching porn anyway.

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                                      Nice, though DACH has this since long ago. And denmark is already added, they're quick.

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                                        Pretty sure that These Lines in eulas would not be valid.

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                                        In a nation with a functional judicial system, absolutely - but I wouldn’t put it past the current US Supreme Court to set another precedent.

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                                          I think you might be overestimating cooperation between these companies, but it's definitely a valid concern.

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                                          Probably, yes - but in a race for as much data as possible to try and feed their LLM models, I wouldn’t put it past them.

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