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Happy No-more-USA Day

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  • roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

    How about a general strike? More than protests but non-violent.

    It worked for Germany after WW I.

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    I think it will take more than that to take down a terrorist organization unfortunately

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    • D [email protected]

      So because you believe something will happen, we should lead a small, unsuccessful, violent revolution to ensure that it does happen?

      How about you keep your big feelings to yourself while the people who have successfully grown a resistance from a few hundred thousand to ~10M in four months continue to successfully plan and execute a real resistance.

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      You use that phrase a lot. I feel like you're not actually reading what im typing.

      It's not a resistance if it can't actually do anything. I'm not sure the milder thing is necessarily the easy sell.

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        You use that phrase a lot. I feel like you're not actually reading what im typing.

        It's not a resistance if it can't actually do anything. I'm not sure the milder thing is necessarily the easy sell.

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        What about growing numbers is confusing to you? 10M people is ~2% of our nation. We couldn’t collectively get anything done, yet. We’re growing a resistance through organized protests.

        You clearly haven’t read enough on the topic. Do some research and then we can talk. Until then, your opinion is woefully uninformed.

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        • pm_me_vintage_30s@lemmy.sdf.orgP [email protected]
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          The state necessarily has a monopoly on violence; it’s part of what makes it the State. But what choice do the People have when the power of the state is seized by a group determined to use that power against its own population? The USA is famously “invasion proof” but there is nothing in place to protect us from such abuse. The only response that could stop a protracted guerilla style resistance is the total dissolution of the senate and house with immediate emergency elections to replace 100% of the members

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          • I [email protected]

            The state necessarily has a monopoly on violence; it’s part of what makes it the State. But what choice do the People have when the power of the state is seized by a group determined to use that power against its own population? The USA is famously “invasion proof” but there is nothing in place to protect us from such abuse. The only response that could stop a protracted guerilla style resistance is the total dissolution of the senate and house with immediate emergency elections to replace 100% of the members

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            The monopoly on violence for the most part comes from the military, so the choice they have is a military coup. Problem is he's stacked the military with loyalists. But also what you said.

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            • banana@sh.itjust.worksB [email protected]

              The monopoly on violence for the most part comes from the military, so the choice they have is a military coup. Problem is he's stacked the military with loyalists. But also what you said.

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              He stacked military leadership with loyalists. It's still each and every individual soldiers responsibility to determine for themselves whether they will follow an order if they believe it to be unjust. Many in the military are Maga, but there will be many that would refuse such orders as well... Basically, I'm just trying to say the military isn't a hivemind. If orders came down to attack us citizens, I'd hope there'd be significant pushback throughout the ranks.

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                I think I finally got it 🤣

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                I also needed the explanation 🤣

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                • archmageazor@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                  I'll believe it when I see it. The Americans seem perfectly content with how things are.

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                  The MAGAts are the ones content. Majority are not.

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                    He stacked military leadership with loyalists. It's still each and every individual soldiers responsibility to determine for themselves whether they will follow an order if they believe it to be unjust. Many in the military are Maga, but there will be many that would refuse such orders as well... Basically, I'm just trying to say the military isn't a hivemind. If orders came down to attack us citizens, I'd hope there'd be significant pushback throughout the ranks.

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                    Refuse an order, get court martialled despite all your rights, get dishobourably discharged and lose your livelihood, all for some people you dont know, and greatly negatively affect the lives of those you provide for.

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                      The state necessarily has a monopoly on violence; it’s part of what makes it the State. But what choice do the People have when the power of the state is seized by a group determined to use that power against its own population? The USA is famously “invasion proof” but there is nothing in place to protect us from such abuse. The only response that could stop a protracted guerilla style resistance is the total dissolution of the senate and house with immediate emergency elections to replace 100% of the members

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                      Be careful though, emergency dissolution of the Senate is exactly how Palpatine gained power. There has to be a careful plan and new system ready to go and not just fall to the one person it shouldn't.

                      I know it's fiction, but just saying. Dissolving it is one thing, but having a coherent plan is another.

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                        Whoa now. That's dangerously close to sounding reasonable. We don't do that here.

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                        • sentient_loom@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

                          I can't tell if these people are Russian agents trying to undermine Western culture, or just rabid morons who want to create misery for even more people. Either way, this kind of post is my least favorite thing about lemmy.

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                          "western culture"
                          🤮

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                          • banana@sh.itjust.worksB [email protected]

                            The monopoly on violence for the most part comes from the military, so the choice they have is a military coup. Problem is he's stacked the military with loyalists. But also what you said.

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                            I mean this is actually what the second amendment was for, it would be nice if the NRA said something.

                            If you go left enough you get your guns back.

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                              No, he didn’t. He wrote an executive order. That’s not a law. It’s a directive to the executive branch, and we are in no way obligated to follow it as citizens.

                              SCOTUS ruled that a district judge cannot impose a nationwide injunction against the executive order. Each judge will now have to rule on the case of birthright citizenship independently. The 14th amendment is very clear.

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                              THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT MEAN JACK SHIT TO NAZIS.

                              FUCK OFF, SHITLIB.

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                                What about growing numbers is confusing to you? 10M people is ~2% of our nation. We couldn’t collectively get anything done, yet. We’re growing a resistance through organized protests.

                                You clearly haven’t read enough on the topic. Do some research and then we can talk. Until then, your opinion is woefully uninformed.

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                                So is yours.

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                                  Cool. Our largest nationwide protest was ~11M, most of whom were elderly. So you agree we need to grow our numbers.

                                  Small factions of violence have historically proven to reduce resistance numbers and justify the implementation of assembly-restricting legislation.

                                  https://tedxboulder.com/speakers/erica-chenoweth

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                                  Yeah. The protests are always elderly, disabled, and pacifist. Boy the Nazis sure are terrified of you.

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                                    I still cannot fathom why they scheduled on a weekday for the next one. If you want turnout schedule for the weekends.

                                    I know people should go out regardless, but they have bills to pay. A lot of people can't afford to miss a shift and vacation time is far too limited

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                                    Because defending your democracy isn't a weekend fucking sport. How many days a week are the fascists trying to tear down your democracy? Because that's the same energy you need to bring to defend it.

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                                      Because defending your democracy isn't a weekend fucking sport. How many days a week are the fascists trying to tear down your democracy? Because that's the same energy you need to bring to defend it.

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                                      No need to come at me, the fact of the matter is the majority of people won't take time. I take the time, but most won't. If you want the biggest impact you'll always draw the largest crowds on a weekend.

                                      I don't disagree with you I'm just being pragmatic. A protest of 1,500 is a bigger deal than a protest of 200. That's the typical difference in my city with weekend vs weekday protests

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                                        What about growing numbers is confusing to you? 10M people is ~2% of our nation. We couldn’t collectively get anything done, yet. We’re growing a resistance through organized protests.

                                        You clearly haven’t read enough on the topic. Do some research and then we can talk. Until then, your opinion is woefully uninformed.

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                                        You're just repeating talking points and numbers, not engaging with what im saying. You can see how that might make me feel vindicated unexpectedly quickly?

                                        I know the first piece of theory you read is very heady, but please keep reading.

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                                          So is yours.

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                                          Provide a source contradicting my claim. That’s how adults debate. Your comment is childish banter.

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