Putin to conscript 160,000 more Russians for war with Ukraine
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With Italy having 338 000 active military personnel, France 304 000 and Spain's 199 000, it really isn't that hard to imagine.
Where did you get these numbers? I cannot find any sources to support them. Active personnel of mentioned countries is half to 2/3 of mentioned numbers. And this tells us nothing about these countries ability to produce new personnel.
Also, that's all on paper. When UK and France discuss a 'coalition of the willing' to act as peace keepers in Ukraine they are able to scrape together no more than a few tens of thousands, even though it is believed that 100-200K is required to be a deterring force.
We are talking about a force of several hundreds of thousands to be trained, armed and moved to a front to fight within a few months or at least within a year, in addition to already existing forces, a large part of which are unavailable to train new recruits because they are deployed.
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Pretty much the only Western-aligned nation that's ready to fight a war is Israel.
War, for Americans, really is just all fun and games right now. Most people haven't seen friends die. When that starts happening and the reality of war sets in, I don't think most Westerners will stick around. They value their lives too much.
Isnotreal can barely hold their own against hezbollah and hamas. They cannot fight an actual country that doesn't have a postcolonial arranged military.
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Lend lease really helped with mechanization. The jeeps and trucks they had were indispensable for the war effort. We often talk about guns and bombs, but people don't realize how important transportation and heavy machinery is.
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Without logistics the infantry cannot win anything.
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Ukraine is Russia’s Vietnam.
Ukraine is about nearly 10x Vietnam at this point.
Hell, Russia experienced a Vietnam level of loss in about 2 months during the Avdiivka offensive.
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Russia isn't going to have any young men left.
Might finally play against some non russian cs2 mic spammers
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I don't know that it is quite that bad, I think people will surprise you. Europeans stuck with Ukraine even though it costs and while some are turning their back they are a minority and they consider Ukraine none of the their business.
I think when another NATO or EU country is affected Europeans will see it very differently. It is an existential threat then. Russia wants to paint Europe as decadent and lazy, but Europeans stand firm when it really matters. We've proven that with Ukraine.
The bigger problem for Europe is to produce armed forces in the hundreds of thousands within the next few years. Making the hardware and training the soldiers in that small off a time will be difficult.
As for Americans... I don't really know where we have them. I do think there is a non-negligible chance they will be in a civil war by the end of the decade or the start of the next.
Europeans stuck with Ukraine
I mean, giving weapons is different from sending soldiers. This is what I mean by "most people haven't seen friends die." It's a completely different ballgame that most of us in the West do not have experience in and are not prepared for.
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Summary
Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered 160,000 more Russians aged 18–30 be drafted from April 1 to July 15, amid U.S.-brokered ceasefire talks.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned the Kremlin is preparing a major offensive in Sumy, Kharkiv, and Zaporizhzhia, accusing Russia of stalling negotiations to gain territorial leverage.
Over 100,000 Russian soldiers are confirmed dead. Ukraine reported 46,000 dead and 380,000 wounded.
As we all know, repeatedly drafting several divisions worth of men is a sign you're winning the war...
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Let's just imagine what it would look like if Europe mobilized and armed 160,000 soldiers. The fact that it sees undoable for most tells us how badly situated we are...
Europe has 450 million people. It will be easier for them than Russia with 146 million people. Stop spreading FUD.
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Summary
Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered 160,000 more Russians aged 18–30 be drafted from April 1 to July 15, amid U.S.-brokered ceasefire talks.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned the Kremlin is preparing a major offensive in Sumy, Kharkiv, and Zaporizhzhia, accusing Russia of stalling negotiations to gain territorial leverage.
Over 100,000 Russian soldiers are confirmed dead. Ukraine reported 46,000 dead and 380,000 wounded.
And it’s 1 2 3 what are we fighting for don't ask me I don’t give a damn next stop is Zaporizhzhia
That’s a lot of meat for the grinder
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Summary
Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered 160,000 more Russians aged 18–30 be drafted from April 1 to July 15, amid U.S.-brokered ceasefire talks.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned the Kremlin is preparing a major offensive in Sumy, Kharkiv, and Zaporizhzhia, accusing Russia of stalling negotiations to gain territorial leverage.
Over 100,000 Russian soldiers are confirmed dead. Ukraine reported 46,000 dead and 380,000 wounded.
The last round of conscription was meet with uncharacteristically loud pushback from the russian public so pushing ahead with even more is interesting. Is the kremlin that confident in the effect of it's propaganda? or is it just that desperate?
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The last round of conscription was meet with uncharacteristically loud pushback from the russian public so pushing ahead with even more is interesting. Is the kremlin that confident in the effect of it's propaganda? or is it just that desperate?
Maybe I should just Google it but... do you remember any specific cases of this pushback?
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Maybe I should just Google it but... do you remember any specific cases of this pushback?
There were protests and hundred of thousands of young Russian men left the country after Putin announced the first "partial" mobilisation. The recruitment process was also botched and conscripted even the disabled and old.
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Maybe I should just Google it but... do you remember any specific cases of this pushback?
This articles covers some interesting incidents and this wikipedia article is more exhaustive though covers the domestic anti-war events more broadly.
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That's the only negative aspect about it
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Maybe I should just Google it but... do you remember any specific cases of this pushback?
The amount of Russians leaving the country to avoid conscription was very high. You can't really hide that. There are stories of men being kept hidden to avoid the press gangs. But all of that is probably par for the course considering the amount of soldiers dying on foreign soil.
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As we all know, repeatedly drafting several divisions worth of men is a sign you're winning the war...
Territorially? Yes, Russia is winning. But politically, economically and socially? Russia already lost. The deaths of thousands of soldiers in the face of Russia's demographic crisis will result fewer labour force, which means lower tax revenue. The Russian economy is in war footing and this is already causing inflation because of heightened government expenditure, and businesses struggling to pay the ever increasing wage demands of civilians, who replaced the jobs that would have been filled instead by soldiers from the front. With secondary sanctions, even Chinese banks are reluctant to lend to Russia. The future generations of Russians will be paying for the economic and social consequences of the war in Ukraine. In essence, Russia may be winning territorially, but it will be a Pyrrhic victory with generational consequences.
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Vlad should call his MAGA supporters to join his cause and it will fulfill their need for violence.
From what I've seen on the reddit right-leaning subs most of them are very against the entire war and sending money/troops at all.
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Ukraine is Russia’s Vietnam.
Ukraine is Russia’s Mongol Invasion of Japan.
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The last round of conscription was meet with uncharacteristically loud pushback from the russian public so pushing ahead with even more is interesting. Is the kremlin that confident in the effect of it's propaganda? or is it just that desperate?
Both sides have resorted impressment to refill their ranks, regardless of public pushback men can still get bagged into a van on the street and sent to the front lines.
