France’s far-right leader Le Pen guilty of embezzlement in ruling that could end her career
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"could" end it.
Are we cooked as a species? Embezzlement is a pretty big crime. She should be going to jail and it should most definitely end her political aspirations
Classic right wing thinking means that the to them morally righteous can do no wrong, so convictions of embezzlement don't matter. Laws are there only to punish the undeserving, meaning everyone not in the in-group.
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In america we learned that laws don't apply if everyone in power agrees to not apply them. The french are lucky enough to know how to force their government to comply, let's just hope they ensure the laws are carried out and le pen is removed from politics permanently. They have a front row seat to see what happens when you let the law apply itself. The french government would be wise to heed the warning.
That's the thing: laws that only in practice apply to the riff-raff can stop things like the copper demanding a bribe for not to fining somebody for speeding or the hygene inspector wanting something-something not to close down a restaurant - i.e. the kind of everyday widespread corruption that everybody sooner or later comes in contact with in some countries in Africa and South America - but does nothing to stop the really big, broadest impact corruption that affects the whole country sometimes holding it back or even dragging it down for generations, like putting certain clauses in Environmental legislation to allow highly destructive activities by certain companies, making sure certain markets are monopolies or tight cartels, selling state assets (such as during privatisations) at "friendly prices" to the "right people", or making sure multimillionaire or even billionaire military procurement contracts go to certain companies.
This shit is often far too subtle for most people to spot it or fully understand its impact but can have big effects in the lives of just about everybody in a country and then people for example just go around feeling that their money doesn't seem to go as far as before not putting two and two together to figure out they're dieing the death of a thousand cuts as monopolies and cartels which should never have existed without corrupt legislation bleed them out, are dying younger because of avoidable air polution or exploitative private healthcare systems all possible thanks to legislation designed together by crooked politicians and lobbyists, feel their quality of life is much less than before as most public spaces have been made sold to private interest, and so on.
What's happening in France (and has been happening for a while - both Sarkozy and the guy before him ended up convicted for their crimes) is actually a very good thing and needs to carry on happening, with as you say equal treatment for all and no velvet glove treatment for "VIP" types.
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Summary
A French court found far-right leader Marine Le Pen guilty of embezzling over €3 million in EU funds, potentially ending her 2027 presidential bid.
The judge ruled Le Pen and 24 others misused European Parliament funds between 2004 and 2016 to pay National Rally party staff, calling it a deliberate scheme, not an error.
Prosecutors had sought five years’ prison and a public office ban. Even with an appeal, a provisional execution could bar her candidacy.
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If she's banned from running it will be the first instance of a western liberal country reacting appropriately to the resurgence of fascism. Good on France.
The appropriate reaction would be to ban them for being fucking fascists, not for some incidental crime they happened to commit.
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You're right... I fixed it.
Meloni, one L.
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"could" end it.
Are we cooked as a species? Embezzlement is a pretty big crime. She should be going to jail and it should most definitely end her political aspirations
Same way Trump's "political aspirations" need to be ended
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Summary
A French court found far-right leader Marine Le Pen guilty of embezzling over €3 million in EU funds, potentially ending her 2027 presidential bid.
The judge ruled Le Pen and 24 others misused European Parliament funds between 2004 and 2016 to pay National Rally party staff, calling it a deliberate scheme, not an error.
Prosecutors had sought five years’ prison and a public office ban. Even with an appeal, a provisional execution could bar her candidacy.
The fascist who could have ended the French republic and turned it into a fascist state being done in by an embezzlement charge sounds like an insult.
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If she's banned from running it will be the first instance of a western liberal country reacting appropriately to the resurgence of fascism. Good on France.
Well, she still committed financial fraud. It's more the judiciary doing its job. Sarkozy was also convicted after his presidency.
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Well, she still committed financial fraud. It's more the judiciary doing its job. Sarkozy was also convicted after his presidency.
Yeah, if only other Western countries barred politicians from running or holding office if they’ve been convicted of a crime…
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Summary
A French court found far-right leader Marine Le Pen guilty of embezzling over €3 million in EU funds, potentially ending her 2027 presidential bid.
The judge ruled Le Pen and 24 others misused European Parliament funds between 2004 and 2016 to pay National Rally party staff, calling it a deliberate scheme, not an error.
Prosecutors had sought five years’ prison and a public office ban. Even with an appeal, a provisional execution could bar her candidacy.
So many good news rolling in today
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Summary
A French court found far-right leader Marine Le Pen guilty of embezzling over €3 million in EU funds, potentially ending her 2027 presidential bid.
The judge ruled Le Pen and 24 others misused European Parliament funds between 2004 and 2016 to pay National Rally party staff, calling it a deliberate scheme, not an error.
Prosecutors had sought five years’ prison and a public office ban. Even with an appeal, a provisional execution could bar her candidacy.
Wait, being convicted ends political careers? Hitler and Trump wore their convictions with honor and used them to gin up support to great effect. Who's to say Le Pen doesn't somehow do the same?
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Yeah, if only other Western countries barred politicians from running or holding office if they’ve been convicted of a crime…
Instead, the US bars people from voting!
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Well, she still committed financial fraud. It's more the judiciary doing its job. Sarkozy was also convicted after his presidency.
I'm worried/curious if macron would try to pardon her or find another way to allow her to stay in after he ran to them for help after the last election
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Summary
A French court found far-right leader Marine Le Pen guilty of embezzling over €3 million in EU funds, potentially ending her 2027 presidential bid.
The judge ruled Le Pen and 24 others misused European Parliament funds between 2004 and 2016 to pay National Rally party staff, calling it a deliberate scheme, not an error.
Prosecutors had sought five years’ prison and a public office ban. Even with an appeal, a provisional execution could bar her candidacy.
I feel shocked.
/s
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Wait, being convicted ends political careers? Hitler and Trump wore their convictions with honor and used them to gin up support to great effect. Who's to say Le Pen doesn't somehow do the same?
5 years ineligibility means she can't run for president in 2027 or for another MP seat. It means others will take over and gain visibility over her.
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Classic right wing thinking means that the to them morally righteous can do no wrong, so convictions of embezzlement don't matter. Laws are there only to punish the undeserving, meaning everyone not in the in-group.
The liberals should be upholding the law and throw these people in jail. If fraud pays, of course the right wingers will abuse it.
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Damn, that's good. Thanks!
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5 years ineligibility means she can't run for president in 2027 or for another MP seat. It means others will take over and gain visibility over her.
She's not going to prison, she gets an ankle monitor and house arrest I believe.
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Classic right wing thinking means that the to them morally righteous can do no wrong, so convictions of embezzlement don't matter. Laws are there only to punish the undeserving, meaning everyone not in the in-group.
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Same way Trump's "political aspirations" need to be ended
This is about France and not the USA.
