How often do you take him for a walk?
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Some of you are so desperately alone and this post shows why.
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That, and streets are deadly hellscapes over there a lot of the time. Driving laws are barely enforced and infrastructure is almost like it's intended to kill anyone who dares to exist outside a car.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Out of 75 million kids 200 per year are killed by vehicles. This is roughly on par, albeit slightly higher than top EU countries.
People rightfully look at you like you're stupid when you make these statements that have nothing to do with reality. Get off the internet.
Child Pedestrian Fatalities per Million Children (under 15)
Country / Region Est. Fatalities/Year Child Pop. (0–14) Fatalities per Million
United States ~225 ~61 million ~3.7
United Kingdom ~22 ~11.5 million ~1.9
Canada ~12 ~6 million ~2.0
Australia ~11 ~4.8 million ~2.3
Germany ~20 ~11 million ~1.8
France ~18 ~11 million ~1.6
Japan ~18 ~15 million ~1.2
India ~3,000 (est.) ~360 million ~8.3
Brazil ~450 ~50 million ~9.0
European Union (EU-27) ~140–160 ~72 million ~2.0Total EU child population (0–14): ~72 million
Result: ~2.1 deaths per million children
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Probably went away and made a comeback. I came out in '92 and didn't see a leash kid until around 2010. Then suddenly, leash kids everywhere.
Nope. Your observations are simply not representative of the reality.
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So many people on this thread are defending leashes, yet they don't exist anywhere but in the US, so...
I have never ever seen a kid leash in Denmark or any country I have visited, and yet kids here don't run around in stores acting out or disappearing.
I don't know, they seem dehumanizing and humiliating to me. If other countries can raise kids (incl kids on the spectrum) without them why can't the US?
They used to be quite common in the UK back in the 80s. Stops kids running into busy roads, and you can also use it to hold up an unsteady toddler.
Obviously you don't use them on like eight year olds.
You don't see them much any more.
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Out of 75 million kids 200 per year are killed by vehicles. This is roughly on par, albeit slightly higher than top EU countries.
People rightfully look at you like you're stupid when you make these statements that have nothing to do with reality. Get off the internet.
Child Pedestrian Fatalities per Million Children (under 15)
Country / Region Est. Fatalities/Year Child Pop. (0–14) Fatalities per Million
United States ~225 ~61 million ~3.7
United Kingdom ~22 ~11.5 million ~1.9
Canada ~12 ~6 million ~2.0
Australia ~11 ~4.8 million ~2.3
Germany ~20 ~11 million ~1.8
France ~18 ~11 million ~1.6
Japan ~18 ~15 million ~1.2
India ~3,000 (est.) ~360 million ~8.3
Brazil ~450 ~50 million ~9.0
European Union (EU-27) ~140–160 ~72 million ~2.0Total EU child population (0–14): ~72 million
Result: ~2.1 deaths per million children
I'm not saying more kids die in traffic over there.
I'm saying people have to be, and are, way more careful to keep their kids away from traffic. -
I can't ever remember seeing a kid wearing them here in the UK but my grandma once said she used "reins" on my dad and his siblings which would have been from late 1960s to late 1970s.
Me and my sister definitely had them in the early 80s. Kids are stupid, and the alternative is you strap them in a buggy if they can't be trusted to walk.
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So many people on this thread are defending leashes, yet they don't exist anywhere but in the US, so...
I have never ever seen a kid leash in Denmark or any country I have visited, and yet kids here don't run around in stores acting out or disappearing.
I don't know, they seem dehumanizing and humiliating to me. If other countries can raise kids (incl kids on the spectrum) without them why can't the US?
I'm 53 and have seen them used on different continents. My mom used one on me in Europe when we visited when I was two years old. You are completely wrong on all fronts with your comment. Have a good day.
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I'm 53 and have seen them used on different continents. My mom used one on me in Europe when we visited when I was two years old. You are completely wrong on all fronts with your comment. Have a good day.
Your American mum bringing a leash over and using it on you somewhere in Europe 51 years ago hardly makes me wrong on all fronts.
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So many people on this thread are defending leashes, yet they don't exist anywhere but in the US, so...
I have never ever seen a kid leash in Denmark or any country I have visited, and yet kids here don't run around in stores acting out or disappearing.
I don't know, they seem dehumanizing and humiliating to me. If other countries can raise kids (incl kids on the spectrum) without them why can't the US?
They weren't uncommon in the US in the '90s, they fell out of favor soon after. Even back then they weren't popular.
In the '80s and earlier, corporal punishment was regular and expected. There was a push in the '90s to stop the corporal punishment. A lot of parents stopped handing out corporal punishment but failed to replace it with any form of discipline. It was not an uncommon to see kids tearing things off shelves yelling at and smacking their parents while their parents were going "now Jimmy, We don't do that" shrinking at parents walking by saying their kids, what are you going to do?;The little backpacks with the leashes were a symptom of failed parenting. If you grew up in this time in a very conservative area you might not have experienced this yourself, as giving timeouts, redirecting, and not beating your kids as a relatively progressive ideal and when it started it was actively disparaged by conservatives.
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They weren't uncommon in the US in the '90s, they fell out of favor soon after. Even back then they weren't popular.
In the '80s and earlier, corporal punishment was regular and expected. There was a push in the '90s to stop the corporal punishment. A lot of parents stopped handing out corporal punishment but failed to replace it with any form of discipline. It was not an uncommon to see kids tearing things off shelves yelling at and smacking their parents while their parents were going "now Jimmy, We don't do that" shrinking at parents walking by saying their kids, what are you going to do?;The little backpacks with the leashes were a symptom of failed parenting. If you grew up in this time in a very conservative area you might not have experienced this yourself, as giving timeouts, redirecting, and not beating your kids as a relatively progressive ideal and when it started it was actively disparaged by conservatives.
In the '80s and earlier, corporal punishment was regular and expected. There was a push in the '90s to stop the corporal punishment.
Corporeal punishment was outlawed in Denmark by 1997, but was definitely frowned upon much earlier than that. My grandparent's generation - born in the 1920s and 1930s - was likely the last generation where it was commonly used.
I mean, our kids can be little brats as well - and our kids are also prone to run off and do dumb stuff, but apparently we handle it differently. And I am fairly certain that my initial reaction - that it's dehumanizing and humiliating - is how it comes off to almost all Nordic parents.
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In the '80s and earlier, corporal punishment was regular and expected. There was a push in the '90s to stop the corporal punishment.
Corporeal punishment was outlawed in Denmark by 1997, but was definitely frowned upon much earlier than that. My grandparent's generation - born in the 1920s and 1930s - was likely the last generation where it was commonly used.
I mean, our kids can be little brats as well - and our kids are also prone to run off and do dumb stuff, but apparently we handle it differently. And I am fairly certain that my initial reaction - that it's dehumanizing and humiliating - is how it comes off to almost all Nordic parents.
No, I'm explaining the timing. We went from it being acceptable to not doing it in a very short period of time. Delicious came out because parents couldn't work out any way to control their kids but a physical means.
I'm well aware that Nordic countries treat their kids with a lot more dignity and freedom than the rest of the world, some might even say to their own detriment.
One of my co-workers expatriated to Sweden for a few years. There were tweens just hopping on the bus and going to the museum miles away. But I get the feeling that one could trust the average Swede would prevent harm to a child from a pedophile.
Leashes in the US were a symptom of a brisk change in society with relatively little information on how to perform it. They definitely existed.
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There are kids with behavioural issues or kids on the spectrum, it doesn’t mean they or the parents are bad people. I never agreed with the kid leash and still don’t use it but after 3 years with an autistic toddler, I don’t blame anyone for using them. Would you rather that child be running lose or running circles around you? Don’t criticize people’s parenting, especially if you don’t know their situation or have never raised a special needs child.
It gave us a little peace of mind when our autistic child was a toddler. He had just started eloping and he was very fast and very sneaky. Holding his hand wasn't always feasible and we wanted to encourage some freedom and independence so a backpack with a tether was a good option, especially in crowded areas. He was free to explore something if it interested him but the gentle tug gave him enough physical feedback to understand that he needed to stay close to us. Now that he's older we can just verbally remind him to stay close if he starts wandering off.
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No, I'm explaining the timing. We went from it being acceptable to not doing it in a very short period of time. Delicious came out because parents couldn't work out any way to control their kids but a physical means.
I'm well aware that Nordic countries treat their kids with a lot more dignity and freedom than the rest of the world, some might even say to their own detriment.
One of my co-workers expatriated to Sweden for a few years. There were tweens just hopping on the bus and going to the museum miles away. But I get the feeling that one could trust the average Swede would prevent harm to a child from a pedophile.
Leashes in the US were a symptom of a brisk change in society with relatively little information on how to perform it. They definitely existed.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]One of my co-workers expatriated to Sweden for a few years. There were tweens just hopping on the bus and going to the museum miles away. But I get the feeling that one could trust the average Swede would prevent harm to a child from a pedophile.
In contrast to what many people think, Nordic people are fairly strict with what kids are allowed to do when they are small. We spend a lot of time and effort to ensure that kids are well behaved and can be trusted and don't act out when they are small, and then, gradually, they are allowed more freedom as they grow older. By the time they're young teenagers we generally feel like they've demonstrated that they can be trusted and they are often allowed to bike or take the bus around town and live with a lot more freedom.
Maybe you're thinking "Duh, that's how everyone does it!", but the reason I mention it is that I've experienced that many cultures do it differenty; when the kids are young they are allowed a lot of freedom and very little responsibility, then as they grow older their parents will restrict them more and more. It's pretty much the opposite of the Nordic approach.
We're veering off course (or I am, at least), but I find the differences in parenting across cultures very fascinating.
One commenter said that the leashes are for safe toddler independence, not control, and I guess I can see that. It makes sense, even if it would be cultural taboo in my part of the world.
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In fairness, that's why I feel like getting a leash.
Plus the oldest is 13 and at least she's responsible enough for us to look away for a few minutes and she will still be there.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I feel like this could be an attention problem. 8 is too many kids not to have serious help keeping a family running.
Also it sounds a bit like idiocracy if they can’t learn to fucking stay near an adult. Future Darwin Award contestants maybe?
My son was shy, but he hid from us a couple times. But he was taught from as soon as he could understand that wandering from mom and dad (or uncles or grandparents) was a bad idea. But he’s also an only child and has said some pretty weirdly mature things. He scolds me for putting marker caps in my mouth and makes sure I have all relevant PPE when we’re working in the shop for instance, and he’s been doing it since he was 4-5.
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ITT: people who doesn't have kids, doesn't interact with kids, or doesn't have to raise a particularly difficult kids, talks about raising kids.
OOP sounds like an insufferable person tbh.
As a parent of a special needs child we currently leash when attending large events (he is a flight risk) I would laugh so hard if someone asked me if he's a rescue
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So many people on this thread are defending leashes, yet they don't exist anywhere but in the US, so...
I have never ever seen a kid leash in Denmark or any country I have visited, and yet kids here don't run around in stores acting out or disappearing.
I don't know, they seem dehumanizing and humiliating to me. If other countries can raise kids (incl kids on the spectrum) without them why can't the US?
I'm not even from US (Asian) and i see them in my country from time to time, especially in mall. Why would you find it dehumanising when it's merely something that tied to each other wrist? It's not even tied to a neck or something, it's just handholding with extra length. It sounds crazy to me that people actually dehumanising it then call it dehumanising.
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A necklace doesn't inhibit movement but okay.
most kid leashes are on backpacks, not around the neck lol
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Excuse me what the fuck? A human being on a leash like a dog?
What is this, how to destroy a child's dignity with one weird trick?
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Excuse me what the fuck? A human being on a leash like a dog?
What is this, how to destroy a child's dignity with one weird trick?
It's usually for the kid's safety. Little kids especially run off sometimes; and while it'd be nice to be able to be a continuously attentive parent, sometimes you need to get shit done out and about while they're with you. Sometimes they're fine with just being carried or sitting in a shopping cart, but if not, a leash & harness (usually just integrated into a backpack) lets them wander safely while you take care of what you're there to do.
I don't think I've ever seen a kid older than 4 or so in one.
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Your American mum bringing a leash over and using it on you somewhere in Europe 51 years ago hardly makes me wrong on all fronts.
Funny you would assume I'm American. You are still wrong on all fronts.
