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The Volkswagen ID. EVERY1 is an affordable EV for the masses

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  • ulrich@feddit.orgU [email protected]

    Ehhh I think it is. You should pretty much expect all of those things from any new car.

    Consumers have spoken and they don't care about privacy, reliability or repairability.

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    this is not true. I am avoiding Hyundai-Kia for this reason

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      The Volvo EX30 looks good as well but its super plastic and low quality inside. This car will probably follow the same pattern since they need make money on these ones too.

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        I've been saying for years that if someone produces a sub €30k EV I will buy it. €20k is an instant buy.

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          Funny how you're asking questions that no real human cares about when shopping for car...

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          I’m a person, I care

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          • cloudless@feddit.ukC [email protected]

            Sounds like a model name for American police cars.

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            Do you suspect me of a crime? Am I being detained?

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              They should produce a Beetle EV.

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              The Volkswagen Bug Zapper.

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                155 mile range, well that's a local commuter car, that's it. The masses need things besides a local commuter car.

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                  I don’t get thesr automakers, who is this made for, don’t they see that tesla is killing it with their largr batteries.

                  It is made for people living in places where you maybe don't need to drive 50 miles to go to the nearest mall... a car with 600 miles autonomy would be an overkill if you just need to drive about 10/20 miles a day while commuting.

                  Why can’t they put a 600miles battery

                  because they are useless for the target market.
                  If you don't need to drive that long distance for everything, you don't need big batteries with all the associate problems (weight, dimension and so on) that in the end don't give you any real bonus if not the fact that maybe you can recharge it less often.

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                  This is why there are no plans to try to sell something like this in the US. I drive three hours each way on day-trips fairly often, and a couple times a year I drive around 1000 miles per day for longer trips. Even people who live in cities with short commutes often want to travel to places several hours away pretty regularly. Here you can drive for hours and hours and hours and not even leave the state. It's not like we can take a train either.

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                    I’m a person, I care

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                    Are you though? 🤔

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                    • W [email protected]

                      155 mile range, well that's a local commuter car, that's it. The masses need things besides a local commuter car.

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                      There's also an ID.2all that's more geared towards the masses: https://www.volkswagen.nl/modellen/id-2all

                      Personally this car would cover any drive I do except going back home and back (where I'd have to charge... at home here and home there... so still fine really)

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                      • K [email protected]

                        There are already affordable EVs in Europe, as an example the Dacia Spring which has the same 230km autonomy and even lower price (18-19.000€ retail final price to consumer in Portugal which has high taxes on new vehicles).

                        Not as snazzy looking though, that's what's really important! /s

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                        This is why I'm more looking forward to the id.2, this actually looks like a good one for the price https://www.volkswagen.nl/modellen/id-2all

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                          155 mile range, well that's a local commuter car, that's it. The masses need things besides a local commuter car.

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                          I commute 63 miles one way, every day.

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                            There's that, but the problem is weight, with a 600mile range battery it's gonna be a heavy car, with small 18 inch tires and more rubber to make the ride softer you can't fit large piston brakes, so you need to make changes to improve the overall experience - think about a system that stops a small EV with the weight of a large SUV faster than a sports car. It would make for an amazing driving experience as EVs have great acceleration, just not the best weight balance, even though it's mostly kept to the floor for a lower point of gravity. Not to mention you would be saving lives in the case of an accident.

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                            more rubber to make the ride softer

                            That's one of the least important contributions to ride softness.

                            It would make for an amazing driving experience

                            Going forward and stopping are the easiest parts of a vehicle's driving experience to implement. Now try getting them to corner well-- that's more challenging. And nobody needs 3-second 0-to-60 times in normal driving conditions.

                            Not to mention you would be saving lives in the case of an accident.

                            You'd be improving the odds for those inside the vehicle at the expense of other drivers, cyclists and pedestrians. The environmental impact of manufacture is also directly proportional to vehicle mass.

                            Anyway, too much of your analysis is based on the current poor energy density of batteries, which has good potential for improvement in the coming years. SUV-sized EVs are an entry point in the market, but regulators should be providing incentives for manufacturers to shrink them instead of staying with the present unsatisfactorily large size, which is not a positive feature, any more than it is for gasoline-powered SUVs.

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                            • L [email protected]

                              Ok mr reviewer

                              Why don't you tell us less about WV's strategy a more about how the car is.

                              Does it spy on you?
                              What kind of EULA will I need to agree to?
                              Does it have car play/android auto?
                              Does it have a 4G antenna to connect to VW servers even if I don't enable the feature?
                              Does it have an app?
                              In what ways is VW going to try to get subscription money from me?
                              How much does servicing cost?
                              How much will a set of brake pads cost?
                              Does VW support 3rd party repair shops?
                              Does VW try to lockdown parts and forbid 3rd party repairs?
                              Can it be remotely disabled? By me, by VW, by law enforcement?
                              What happens when the battery needs replacing?

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                              Not to mention that VW lied to its customers before with the emissions scam...

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                                They should produce a Beetle EV.

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                                Beetle EV

                                The Karmann Ghia EV conversions are stunning. Go see the most gorgeous thing VW ever made do 0-60 in 3 seconds.

                                So, as someone who drove three different classic beetles in the past, you know the KG is still my vote.

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                                  Concept cars are, by definition, not actually finished. Nobody will be able to buy the car that was being shown at the car show. The car that will be on sale in 2-3 years will be a thematically similar but fundamentally different creature.

                                  Things like the onboard computer software/hardware/data sharing model won't be defined yet. VW's first party servicing costs or the price of replacement brake pads are not defined yet. It'll be a job for a future car journalist to report on all those things once it's actually defined.

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                                  Yes I understand what a concept car is. That changes nothing about my comment because it wasn't about this specific car.

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                                    How do you know? What car would somebody buy if they cared about those things? There are no choices. There is not enough competition to have enough choices.

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                                    What car would somebody buy if they cared about those things? There are no choices

                                    Because at one time there was a choice.

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                                      this is not true. I am avoiding Hyundai-Kia for this reason

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                                      And buying what instead?

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                                        They've gone out of their way to avoid showing the hatch opened. From the pictures they DO have there, it appears the hatch opening area is borderline useless. My question is WHY?

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                                          I don't get thesr automakers, who is this made for, don't they see that tesla is killing it with their largr batteries. Why can't they put a 600miles battery with 2 motors for awd, get some fake noises/feels when changing gears, get some smaller rims with more rubber and put the best brake system for an 18" wheel - which I think is the Brembo Sensify. Keep the physical buttons for important features for easy access, add a huge lcd panel for navigation and include carplay/android auto wirelessly - done deal. Make it cost as much as a full blown tesla model s and call it a day - you just stole 90% of the market. Add quick charging system and then you just gotta start building better charging stations.

                                          Wait tesla is killing them and if it wasn't for Musk going full adolf, he could have had the universal people's car.

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                                          Why can’t they put a 600miles battery with 2 motors for awd

                                          They do that for more expensive models.

                                          The advantage of small batteries is higher efficiency and more range per charge hour in addition to a cheaper car.

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