6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
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What is O&O? I'm not to keen on jumping to Linux either, but I REALLY don't like the idea of having recall active and having Microsuck know literally everything I do...
O&O Shutup10++ (theoretically works on 11 too)
Not sure what it can do on Home/Pro editions, I've only ever tried it on Enterprise.
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If doing one registry edit and installing Win11 from the iso to bypass the silly "processor unsupported" message is a too high barrier for these 43%, how do you realistically expect these same people to go out of their way and install a Linux distro? Why should they be motivated to learn in which ways it works differently from the Windows architecture? And let's not get started with "unsupported hardware" - even though the Linux experience has gotten so much smoother, it's still not uncommon to have components with subpar or no real support.
Don't get me wrong, I like Linux and I use it for work - but to think a huge part of gamers will switch to Linux with just because they don't want to update their Windows is just illusory.
I don't expect them to switch. I think it's more likely they will stay until there games are no longer supported. Simply because a lot of people just don't want or can't edit the registry, because they think stats for people with technical knowledge. But I also don't believe they will all switch to Linux.
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Damn, Adobe doesn't support Linux at all? Guess I'm staying on Windows too
No, all the current versions are reported various levels of broken
Generally they can't install, so you have to copy an installation from Windows, then there are some that don't load at all, some only load to splash screen, some do work after you patch their broken UI and manually copy some Windows DLL-s. So idk, you might get lucky with the specific program/version/feature combo you need, but it just sounds like a pain to me. -
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I finally committed to Linux at the end of last year. Enough is working to make it preferable to Windows now. I'm still having a lot of bugs, and it's costing quite some time. But at least my computer is mine again. No more telemetry, ads, and UIs that treat me like a toddler. No more updates forced onto me instead of being done whenever I want it.
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I'm using 10+ years old hardware, Microsoft has already told me I can't upgrade, followed by several messages asking me to upgrade...
In other news, Linux Mint works nice and I just need to check Protondb to get Warframe running at frames per second and not seconds per frame
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Ill bet right before the deadline, they will magically make TPM optional, even though they said they wouldn't.
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Just imagine 43 % market share in the next hardware survey.
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O&O Shutup10++ (theoretically works on 11 too)
Not sure what it can do on Home/Pro editions, I've only ever tried it on Enterprise.
That looks awesome, thanks for sharing!
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I won't be doing pretty much anything about it. I have 10 pro, I don't really give a shit about what Microsoft thinks I should do. My computer is behind a firewall, and bluntly, it'll be a while before the security issues become such a problem that I need to go and upgrade.
However. I already did the legwork. I went out and upgraded the hardware TPM 1.2 in my system to TPM 2.0, and I picked up some (relatively cheap) Windows 11 pro product keys. I can upgrade if I want.
I also have access to W10 LTSC, so I can always pivot to that if I need to.
I get the security and other concerns with Windows 10. I do, but the windows 11 changes, to me seem like they're changes for the sake of things being changed. Windows 10's user experience was already quite good, apart from the fact that every feature release seemed to have the settings moved to a different location (see above about making changes for the sake of making changes). IMO, as a professional sysadmin and IT support, the interface and UX changes have made Windows, as a product, worse; it is by far the worst part of the upgrade process and I don't know why they thought any of it was a good idea.
I also hate what M$ has done with printers, but I won't get started on that right now.For all the nitpicking I could do, Windows was, for all intents and purposes, exactly what it needed to be, between Windows 7 and 10. There hasn't been any meaningful progress in the OS that's mattered since x86-64 support was added. Windows 10 32 bit was extremely rare, I don't think I ever saw it (where W7 was a mixed bag of 32/64 bit). Having almost everyone standardized on 64 bit, and Windows 10, gave a predictability that is needed in most businesses. The professional products should not follow the same trends as the home products. If they want to put AI shovelware and ads into the home products, fine. Revamp the vast majority of the control panel into the settings menu, sure. But leave the business products as-is. By far the most problems that people have with Windows 11 that I hear about, relate to how everything changes/looks different, and/or having problems navigating the "new look" or whatever the fuck.
Microsoft: you had a good thing with Windows 10, and you pissed it all away when you put out the crap that is Windows 11.
Stop moving shit around, making controls less useful, and stop making it look like the UX was designed by a 10 year old. Fuck off.
Install size has gone up, its sluggish on my surface pro 7, its constantly wanting to grab my attention to put towards their other products, windows 10 was bad as it seemed to be ms's first iteration of their now billboard, but at least I could offline install, make a local account and mostly be left alone. And windows 11 is aweful for its kiddy gloves.
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Drivers being outdated is not a big deal, unless you use recent hardware, then it might make sense to make a jump to current testing release (trixie), or just stay on testing indefinitely.
It's definitely a good thing if you're interested and knowledgeable enough to build what you want. I was just arguing it's not the best choice for a casual user because a lot things they'll want won't work out of the box.
Even updating to the next stable Debian version requires editing system files and running the command line.
Drivers can matter quite a bit if for example you're on an Nvidia card and the Debian drivers are 2 years old. It happened to me and caused dlss to not work in some games.
I run a Debian server and it's amazing for that.
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It's definitely a good thing if you're interested and knowledgeable enough to build what you want. I was just arguing it's not the best choice for a casual user because a lot things they'll want won't work out of the box.
Even updating to the next stable Debian version requires editing system files and running the command line.
Drivers can matter quite a bit if for example you're on an Nvidia card and the Debian drivers are 2 years old. It happened to me and caused dlss to not work in some games.
I run a Debian server and it's amazing for that.
I definitely agree with most of the points but I don't get what do you mean that you can't move to testing, because that's what I literally did recently by upgrading from bookworm to trixie with no issues whatsoever.
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Just bought a laptop and put bazzite on it to try it out and figure out if I can do all the things I want to do on it. If that all works out I'll be switching my desktop over.
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I thought I read some time ago that Windoze 10 would be the last version of Windoze ever...
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I definitely agree with most of the points but I don't get what do you mean that you can't move to testing, because that's what I literally did recently by upgrading from bookworm to trixie with no issues whatsoever.
When I tried it, testing was on the same version of Nvidia drivers as stable so it didn't solve my problem. It was possible to manually backport them, but it wasn't straightforward to do.
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I thought I read some time ago that Windoze 10 would be the last version of Windoze ever...
Yeah I remember thr same thing. Everything else was suppose to be a package update.
But back-end technology and usage expectations change, and there's a limit to what front-end changes an existing user tolerates. That was never a promise they could keep.
It has lasted a really long time, though. I don't decry 11 existing. I'm upset they're sunsetting 10 without giving us a chance to wait for 11 to get better, let alone for 'oops we fixed the fuckups' W12.
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Me too brother, but I disagree with your assessment on value
An non-blacklisted residential IP address with reasonable throughput is valuable in and of itself. DDOS botnets, proxies to bypass geo blocks or to obfuscate illicit traffic, etc. Also your gaming PC could be used for distributed compute workloads of compromised, usually crypto mining.
Any hardware/connection has value if it's "free". It's just a numbers game beyond that.
You've convinced me. They want access to my connection and maybe some processing power; they DON'T want my dungeons and dragons notes.
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New GPUs don’t work on Linux? Where did you get that idea from?
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don't forget that LTSC is also a solution, you don't have to give in to 11
There's nothing wrong with windows 11 imo
