Expectation Vs. Reality
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Nah, Bear. The last time I read Heinlein he laid out a schema for starting a cult that sounded suspiciously close to what his friend L Ron Hubbard later did for real.
... which is also the origin of the word "grok".
Full circle!
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It’s not known whether it was him or not, but many suspect it
Its a reasonable suspicion.
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Oh Lemmy. Will you ever crawl out of your pit of depression and despair?
When the world stops being a neoliberal hellscape
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why should wealth explicitly affect the ruleset by which you play? freedom of the press is crucial to avoid facism, however politicians could get an exemption.
Elaborate on why politicians should be exempt
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Oh Lemmy. Will you ever crawl out of your pit of depression and despair?
No. Have you not been here for the past 2 years? It gets worse from here!
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But AI is actually way ahead of where I thought it would be in 2025.
I played with chat bots back in the AOL messenger days. There was this “Run-A-Bot” program I used to run at home, and when I was out I could chat with it and it was surprisingly interactive and realistic.
The responses were probably hard coded to expected inputs, done the hard way… as I feel it should be.
I thought wow if a company spent years add in more and more important data by hand this will be AMAZING in just a few years.
Fast forward 20 years and the AI companies did it the most lazy way possible. Just auto feeding data scraped from the web. Yikes, all the trolls and fake info included.
This new AI is just a sentence generator, it’s almost useless. They have some twisted algorithms to spit out junk but each one is leaning towards whatever twisted views the company that made it want it to spit out.
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People using a glorified Markov chain to fact check things is the most depressing shit I've had to endure in a while
It's also useless. Like even for coding I have to check all the code manually for basic mistakes like solving a 2x2 system.
Is not even good for grammar/spelling correction. The dam thing changes whole phrases to something with similar but different meaning. -
why should wealth explicitly affect the ruleset by which you play? freedom of the press is crucial to avoid facism, however politicians could get an exemption.
why should wealth explicitly affect the ruleset by which you play? You are right, it shouldn't. That's why billionaires shouldn't be able to own newspapers.
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Oh Lemmy. Will you ever crawl out of your pit of depression and despair?
Can't change something if you don't know about it
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Oh Lemmy. Will you ever crawl out of your pit of depression and despair?
This is an internet phenomenon, not lemmy specifically
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When the world stops being a neoliberal hellscape
If corporate social media can be used to fuck up the world so horribly, then imagine what we can build now that we have p2p social media. Everybody is mad and should be mad. But we're easy to manipulate. We need to adapt how humans obtain and process information, and numerous p2p apps have demonstrated limits to corporate power.
New ways to communicate and coordinate are a really big deal. We're a tremendously productive species whose time is mostly being wasted. With what might seem like minor tweaks to our society, we can build this picture.
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If corporate social media can be used to fuck up the world so horribly, then imagine what we can build now that we have p2p social media. Everybody is mad and should be mad. But we're easy to manipulate. We need to adapt how humans obtain and process information, and numerous p2p apps have demonstrated limits to corporate power.
New ways to communicate and coordinate are a really big deal. We're a tremendously productive species whose time is mostly being wasted. With what might seem like minor tweaks to our society, we can build this picture.
I'm in complete agreement. The Internet should have been amazing for democracy. Then they went and privatised it, to control the online landscape and push propaganda.
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People using a glorified Markov chain to fact check things is the most depressing shit I've had to endure in a while
Very predictable new form of brainwashing.
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It's also useless. Like even for coding I have to check all the code manually for basic mistakes like solving a 2x2 system.
Is not even good for grammar/spelling correction. The dam thing changes whole phrases to something with similar but different meaning.Ehhh maybe a year or two ago. Modern systems are far more capable than you’re giving them credit for.
I’m not insinuating that they are perfect or even human level, because they’re not, but both of those complaints are things that AI can usually handle summarily.
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Nah, Bear. The last time I read Heinlein he laid out a schema for starting a cult that sounded suspiciously close to what his friend L Ron Hubbard later did for real.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Just in case you didn't know:
article: https://everything2.com/title/The+Heinlein+-+Hubbard+Wager+Myth
relevant bit:
"RAH and LRH had one or more discussions during 1944 and or 1945 when they were both in Philadelphia, and RAH pointed out to LRH that religions had an inordinate amount of legal latitude in the U.S. and that churches could engage in a great many activities otherwise thought of as secular, under the tax and other protection churches enjoy. He had already explored these ideas in some of his stories and was to revisit these notions in their original form in Stranger. It is possible that this conversation or series of conversations took place as late as December 1945 or early 1946 and in Los Angeles."
The theme of money and religion was apparently a very popular one for Hubbard as he seems to have mentioned it at several other informal discussions around the same time. In a 1978 interview Harlan Ellison commented "Scientology is bullshit! Man, I was there the night L. Ron Hubbard invented it, for Christ Sakes!...We were sitting around one night... who else was there? Alfred Bester, and Cyril Kornbluth, and Lester Del Rey, and Ron Hubbard, who was making a penny a word, and had been for years. And he said "This bullshit's got to stop!" He says, "I gotta get money." He says, "I want to get rich"."
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I played with chat bots back in the AOL messenger days. There was this “Run-A-Bot” program I used to run at home, and when I was out I could chat with it and it was surprisingly interactive and realistic.
The responses were probably hard coded to expected inputs, done the hard way… as I feel it should be.
I thought wow if a company spent years add in more and more important data by hand this will be AMAZING in just a few years.
Fast forward 20 years and the AI companies did it the most lazy way possible. Just auto feeding data scraped from the web. Yikes, all the trolls and fake info included.
This new AI is just a sentence generator, it’s almost useless. They have some twisted algorithms to spit out junk but each one is leaning towards whatever twisted views the company that made it want it to spit out.
back then the buzz word was "expert system" and later "fuzzy logic", all kinda sorta leading down the same path LLM 's have taken today, they just didn't have the compute power back then.
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This is an internet phenomenon, not lemmy specifically
It's much easier to avoid on other platforms to be fair.
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I'm so tired of carrying the weight of their stupidity and ignorance.
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I'm so tired of carrying the weight of their stupidity and ignorance.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I don't know if this will help, but the stupidity level is probably no worse than it's ever been, it's just a lot more visible now.
Most human beings have never paid much attention to the world outside of the little bubble they live in. But now that we have such a good communication network they're able to get casual low-effort glimpses of the big world by glancing at a few memes or whatever, which they think makes them experts, and they broadcast their ignorance worldwide because they can. The ignorance was always there, just never this noticeable.
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This is an internet phenomenon, not lemmy specifically
It's infected the real life too. I've been observing like there's a quiet air of desperation around everyone which makes me sad.
