The two-frame test
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I mean at the same time we also have very strict building codes and are told to not place stuff where it creates tripping hazards.
In a flight of stairs, if even one step is off 1/8 of an inch or 3mm, it can cause someone to trip. The steps would be very valid to blame, so circumstances matter too.
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I mean at the same time we also have very strict building codes and are told to not place stuff where it creates tripping hazards.
In a flight of stairs, if even one step is off 1/8 of an inch or 3mm, it can cause someone to trip. The steps would be very valid to blame, so circumstances matter too.
Well, the onus is on you to prove that bench is not up to code.
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Well, the onus is on you to prove that bench is not up to code.
This situation would be more where it was placed if it wasn’t mounted. Probably not a good place if it’s right outside an exit for example.
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This is worded ambiguously. I suppose they mean that certain adults have not managed to develop beyond the level of a three year old. However, the way it is worded, I think the more sensible interpretation is that for certain adults, an obstacle truly does get in their way. Suggesting that they are powerful or have a lot of momentum. Which could be a compliment. At any rate, not an amazing revelation but I thought I'd give my two cents
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This situation would be more where it was placed if it wasn’t mounted. Probably not a good place if it’s right outside an exit for example.
I have never in my life been presented with a scenario such as a child tripping over a bench and thought that the bench was in the wrong place.
Kids are ALWAYS in the wrong place, and usually at the wrong speed.
Literally today, my son (3) walked face-first into a freestanding sign. He meant to walk down a hallway to where I was, but instead headbutted a large sign about his height that was flush against a wall. It was not away from the wall, it was not overhanging the hallway at all. Nevertheless, he got distracted well enough to try and walk through it and then looked genuinely confused as to why the sign was even there.
Fatherhood is a daily joy.
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I mean at the same time we also have very strict building codes and are told to not place stuff where it creates tripping hazards.
In a flight of stairs, if even one step is off 1/8 of an inch or 3mm, it can cause someone to trip. The steps would be very valid to blame, so circumstances matter too.
Not the person who built the step?
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Be gentle with yourself, you are enough.
Unless you’re one of those bench-blaming adults; you deserve to suffer.
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Adulthood doubles the frames: add one with no bench, and one with someone putting a bench in front of the child. The conclusion doesn't change: it's the kid's fault for tripping over the bench. We just collectively ignore that the kid was fine until someone put a bench in the way.
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If you find ths intresting, research "Kohlberg’s Stages of Moral Development" most people only achieve conventional moral development but many remain at pre-conventional until 40+ years old.
One of the topics for child development (Which covers conception to death) I learned.
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Be gentle with yourself, you are enough.
Unless you’re one of those bench-blaming adults; you deserve to suffer.
But BBB tripped me on purpose!
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Adulthood doubles the frames: add one with no bench, and one with someone putting a bench in front of the child. The conclusion doesn't change: it's the kid's fault for tripping over the bench. We just collectively ignore that the kid was fine until someone put a bench in the way.
Now we need another frame with you putting that person in the frame!
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Was the bench around a corner or jutting out? Was the boy part of a crowd that obscured the bench? Is the bench somehow camouflaged? Is it static and stationary?
Is the boy fully sighted? Is it dark? Did someone distract him? Was he panicked by someone? Could he have deliberately run into it?
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Wait, some are born with what would lead to Narcisstic personality disorder?
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Wait, some are born with what would lead to Narcisstic personality disorder?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Ugh, no.One can't argue that personality disorders are inherently genetic. You can argue there's a significant genetic component, but to think that someone is just going to be a narcissist despite how you would rear them is... well, bioessentialism.
Edit oh wait sorry. You asked you didn't argue. Everyone is born like that, yeah, like everyone is born without object permanence. Then you develop it very early on. Just like you develop a sense of self-criticism as your cognition grows. Some just never do.
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There's a calvin and hobbes comic where calvin trips on a rock and yells out "who put this rock here?" or something along those lines. Spent like 15 minutes looking for it but couldn't find it
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If you find ths intresting, research "Kohlberg’s Stages of Moral Development" most people only achieve conventional moral development but many remain at pre-conventional until 40+ years old.
One of the topics for child development (Which covers conception to death) I learned.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Mh. I think stage 5 and 6 are purely individual. In the end, morals depend heavily on cultural context. And morals serving morality only are hypocritical. Nothing good about someone killing themselves because they couldn't save someone. And even this example depends on how close they were. Yet asians, who are culturally closer knit to their group and with more focus on family honor, often see that different.
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I have never in my life been presented with a scenario such as a child tripping over a bench and thought that the bench was in the wrong place.
Kids are ALWAYS in the wrong place, and usually at the wrong speed.
Literally today, my son (3) walked face-first into a freestanding sign. He meant to walk down a hallway to where I was, but instead headbutted a large sign about his height that was flush against a wall. It was not away from the wall, it was not overhanging the hallway at all. Nevertheless, he got distracted well enough to try and walk through it and then looked genuinely confused as to why the sign was even there.
Fatherhood is a daily joy.
I get your point but also I'm a pedantic Lemming, so I want to point out that in the middle-ages, castle would purposefully build uneven steps. People familiar with the castle would soon get used to them and they'd be no bother, but an attacker running upwards will surely trip. And they'll trip because of the stairs. Or will it be their own fault for not looking at each individual step to give your body the information it needs?
Just rhetorical exercise, I don't actually care at all about one side or the other.
(An added stair fact, round staircases would ascend in a clockwise manner, so that right-handed defenders would have the advantage over right-handed attackers whilst fighting in the stairs.)
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Was the bench around a corner or jutting out? Was the boy part of a crowd that obscured the bench? Is the bench somehow camouflaged? Is it static and stationary?
Is the boy fully sighted? Is it dark? Did someone distract him? Was he panicked by someone? Could he have deliberately run into it?
Is there an adult that should be monitoring the boy? Is the bench reasonably out of the way and visible? Was any attempt made at childproofing?
I am generally inclined to blame a relevant adult when applicable
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Mh. I think stage 5 and 6 are purely individual. In the end, morals depend heavily on cultural context. And morals serving morality only are hypocritical. Nothing good about someone killing themselves because they couldn't save someone. And even this example depends on how close they were. Yet asians, who are culturally closer knit to their group and with more focus on family honor, often see that different.
Very good points, yes. Stage 5 and 6 are individual and rarely develop, and none of it is a one size fits all, as vygotsky's sociacultrual theory proposes, a persons cognitive development and how they put meaning to things, concepts and actions form from thier environment, society and culture. What we see as good or bad is dependent on our respective cultures, and can be easily hypocritical. Psychologically is a very intresting field because we dont have a definite answer on most things, the mind is textbook subjectivity.
We are taught the 6 stages of moral development not as a fact but to provoke thought on moral development in context of concrete operational thought (Which itself has shown to be subjective) and how our modern psychological understandings stem from. however the first two stages give a fair idea of pre-concrete-operational moral reasoning, so we can better
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Wait, some are born with what would lead to Narcisstic personality disorder?
I would have guessed this is more of a nurture situation, rather than nature
