nah it's natural
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but these changes are small in the whole of it. we live a fossil fuel reliant lifestyle. what would you be willing to give up? cars as a whole? electronics as a whole? indoor climate control? constant hot water? heavy meat consumption? global travel? people care, but the human demand for all of these is heavy and hard to shake. sooner or later they may not be an option anymore
wrote last edited by [email protected]Hopefully cars are illegal by 2030, indoor climate control is needed to keep pipes running but it doesn’t need to be used as extremely as present, yes we should have a food stamp system to lessen the consumption of meat. If we get rid of hot water then people will just boil it. More worried about the plastic that goes into electronics than the electronics themselves. If you ban plastics outside of medical use then the cheap garbage electronics will disappear
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I gladly vote for politicians who will pass climate laws and regulations, but individual actions by me will not change anything.
wrote last edited by [email protected]If everyone thinks their changes don't matter then i guess they don't, if everyone thought their changes did matter then we could see meaningful progress. Just because other sources are still producing doesn't make your efforts meaningless. There is also something to be said about secondary effects of minor changes, like inspiring others to commit to changes or inspiring new innovations or ideas to improve things.
Edit: id also like to add that new law and policy often comes with minor efforts on the consumer. Take recycling and organics bins for example. The consumer now has to sort their trash instead of throwing it all in 1 bin and I've met many people who think this is some big scam or conspiracy to control people or something.
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Hopefully cars are illegal by 2030, indoor climate control is needed to keep pipes running but it doesn’t need to be used as extremely as present, yes we should have a food stamp system to lessen the consumption of meat. If we get rid of hot water then people will just boil it. More worried about the plastic that goes into electronics than the electronics themselves. If you ban plastics outside of medical use then the cheap garbage electronics will disappear
Most places have not invested nearly enough in walkability or transit to abolish cars yet.
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Most places have not invested nearly enough in walkability or transit to abolish cars yet.
Not my fault they didn’t, I’ve had this deadline since 2000. They had time to fix it
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The average person hasn’t ignored it. Most people have made major changes to their consumption over the past 20-30 years without noticing it.
- LED lighting instead of incandescent or CFL lights.
- TVs are flat panel instead of tube (same for computer monitors)
- Electric cars are way more prevalent
- Most electronics use rechargeable batteries instead of single use
- Consumer goods contain fewer harmful chemicals
Change is being made, it’s just going too slow because individuals have very limited options while a handful of corporations are responsible for the vast majority of pollution. We’re not ignoring it, we lack the ability to make reasonable change to the situation.
Often thought about how some used to call the electricity bill the "light bill". Incandescents are straight primitive if you think on it a moment.
"Run power through this thing until it's white hot. Ya got light!"
AC died right before I moved from Chicago. Had to turn off all the lights because of the extra heat. I could feel the only 60W bulb from across my little living room.
Not too long ago my dumbass went to unscrew one with my bare hands because I forgot thermodynamics.
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The average person hasn’t ignored it. Most people have made major changes to their consumption over the past 20-30 years without noticing it.
- LED lighting instead of incandescent or CFL lights.
- TVs are flat panel instead of tube (same for computer monitors)
- Electric cars are way more prevalent
- Most electronics use rechargeable batteries instead of single use
- Consumer goods contain fewer harmful chemicals
Change is being made, it’s just going too slow because individuals have very limited options while a handful of corporations are responsible for the vast majority of pollution. We’re not ignoring it, we lack the ability to make reasonable change to the situation.
Add computers to your list! Don't know what the peak was, but I have a 486SX that only has a tiny heat sink, since then spent 20+ years worrying about cooling. Now I'm typing this on an Intel NUC that's back to a passive heat sink.
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This isn't going to hold water with musky techbr0 idiots. Arguments: Gaming pcs take just as much energy or more than a query. Your house furnace takes more energy. All the people living in LA take a shit ton. Growing almonds in California. The ai is a teeny dent in using of freshwater.
Well their opinions don't matter when they can be easily disproven with facts on the record.
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Sam Altman (OpenAI) is a Millennial. So is Zuckerberg. LLMs are one of the big energy sinks right now, reaching 1,000 terawatt-hours by 2026 and the current rate of use is doubling every year. For comparison, total global commercial (excluding industrial and transportation, so, office buildings - lights, AC, computers) energy use is 50,000 TWh.
It's still being ignored. Boomers are out of the work force (if not politics), and Gen X is just starting to retire. Between Millenials and Gen Z, they hold 32% of the voting power in the US, the same as Boomers. And Gen Z is only just entering voting age, at 8%.
Half the voting population is under 50 and global temperatures keep increasing. There's every indication sticking your head in the sand is a cross-generational behavior.
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Exactly right.
If you're a European/American/Oceanian with a bank account in the black, you're probably in the global 1% who use six times your share.
Look, I'm not an ecofascist, but if I was, I'd be saying kill all white people. Instead, because I'm generally a nonviolent person, I'm saying slash the tires on white people's cars. And anyone else who lives in a majority white country. These are places where most of the population are the global 1%.
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I gladly vote for politicians who will pass climate laws and regulations, but individual actions by me will not change anything.
Not all your actions are equally meaningless. If you take short showers the lower demand for water and gas/electricity won't do much but for certain alternatives a critical mass is needed and adding your weight to that mass can matter. Take diary for example, soy milk has existed for ages but the increased demand the last 20 years result in increased supply. Same goes for alternative meats. More people biking increases the need for infrastructure, if enough people make that decision that will change road design which will in turn result in it being less attractive to drive. Same with public transport.
Climate laws and regulations will have a much more traceable impact, but the untraceable results of your individual action also has an impact.
If you care about having a large impact without large sacrifices there are articles online that go deeper into this.
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Parents naturally have children. Children that will very much be alive to experience the "find out" part. I am incapable of comprehending how shortsighted and self centered someone has to be to be like: Well, at least I had a nice life, good luck everybody!
And on a low level, they're kind of right because most ordinary people aren't to blame for this, so shaming "parents" makes no sense.
Shame the international petroleum conglomerates, plastic producers, shipping, etc. You know, the actual emitters in the billions of gigatons.
I agree that ordinary people are only partly to blame and that we need to focus on the worst offenders. However, the indifference of large parts of previous generations surely enabled much of the current situation. Most of our parents could vote, most had a chance to drive a tiny bit of change in some kind of way. Some even held positions of power or still do. Putting some blame on them surely isn't wrong, especially if they still don't care.
It's very simple: they don't love their children.
And to anyone who's going to disagree, no. True love is wise. True love is curious. True love wants to seek out the truth. Love without knowledge, love without empathy? That's not true love. That's toxic infatuation. Possessiveness.
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Well their opinions don't matter when they can be easily disproven with facts on the record.
There's no proof that ai usage is actually using up resources. The cooling water gets reused, for one thing. You can try searching, you wont find anything un biased. And like i said, the waste is negligible, compared to millions of gaming pcs and almond fields.
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Covid was sent by time travelers as a last ditch effort to stop climate change.
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Sam Altman (OpenAI) is a Millennial. So is Zuckerberg. LLMs are one of the big energy sinks right now, reaching 1,000 terawatt-hours by 2026 and the current rate of use is doubling every year. For comparison, total global commercial (excluding industrial and transportation, so, office buildings - lights, AC, computers) energy use is 50,000 TWh.
It's still being ignored. Boomers are out of the work force (if not politics), and Gen X is just starting to retire. Between Millenials and Gen Z, they hold 32% of the voting power in the US, the same as Boomers. And Gen Z is only just entering voting age, at 8%.
Half the voting population is under 50 and global temperatures keep increasing. There's every indication sticking your head in the sand is a cross-generational behavior.
Gen Z is 1997-2010
How are they just entering voting age?
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If you're a European/American/Oceanian with a bank account in the black, you're probably in the global 1% who use six times your share.
Look, I'm not an ecofascist, but if I was, I'd be saying kill all white people. Instead, because I'm generally a nonviolent person, I'm saying slash the tires on white people's cars. And anyone else who lives in a majority white country. These are places where most of the population are the global 1%.
Jesus titty-fucking christ, what a racist take.
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If you're a European/American/Oceanian with a bank account in the black, you're probably in the global 1% who use six times your share.
Look, I'm not an ecofascist, but if I was, I'd be saying kill all white people. Instead, because I'm generally a nonviolent person, I'm saying slash the tires on white people's cars. And anyone else who lives in a majority white country. These are places where most of the population are the global 1%.
I think you're forgetting how much 100 billion is. The top 1% globally starts at about 1 mil USD in savings, which if a recall, even the whitest Americans are far enough from. And here a handful of multibillionaires escape to let your reductive worldview ultimately contribute nothing to any semblance of progress and further their torching of our lives.
Not only are you wrong, but you sound like a psycho with a very limited understanding of the world, no different than the uberwealthy perpetuating this.
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Not all your actions are equally meaningless. If you take short showers the lower demand for water and gas/electricity won't do much but for certain alternatives a critical mass is needed and adding your weight to that mass can matter. Take diary for example, soy milk has existed for ages but the increased demand the last 20 years result in increased supply. Same goes for alternative meats. More people biking increases the need for infrastructure, if enough people make that decision that will change road design which will in turn result in it being less attractive to drive. Same with public transport.
Climate laws and regulations will have a much more traceable impact, but the untraceable results of your individual action also has an impact.
If you care about having a large impact without large sacrifices there are articles online that go deeper into this.
Please explain to me how personal (urban) use could ever produce substantive changes in resource management and climate change. I'd love to see it.
Let's use California water as a case study. In a dry year, urban use is 11 % and agriculture use is 61%. Explain to me how collective action by all the urbanites to reduce water consumption by 90% would meaningfully move the needle on water management.
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The bigger concern is the rate that the climate changes. The climate is always changing but we have sped up so significantly that many ecosystems will not be able to adapt in time to survive.
the adoption aspect is interesting and unpredictable. Just look at the pine beetle effect. It's making it possible to diversify the pine forests. If shit didn't happen so quickly, we wouldn't have to worry about the small newly establishing trees becoming ash because some assholes decided to celebrate their new baby announcement and burning down the dead pines before they can come down naturally
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Sam Altman (OpenAI) is a Millennial. So is Zuckerberg. LLMs are one of the big energy sinks right now, reaching 1,000 terawatt-hours by 2026 and the current rate of use is doubling every year. For comparison, total global commercial (excluding industrial and transportation, so, office buildings - lights, AC, computers) energy use is 50,000 TWh.
It's still being ignored. Boomers are out of the work force (if not politics), and Gen X is just starting to retire. Between Millenials and Gen Z, they hold 32% of the voting power in the US, the same as Boomers. And Gen Z is only just entering voting age, at 8%.
Half the voting population is under 50 and global temperatures keep increasing. There's every indication sticking your head in the sand is a cross-generational behavior.
Who do you suggest we vote for in order to adequately address this problem? Like fascism, I don’t see a way to vote ourselves out of this predicament.
We’ll have to remove power from capital owners (like Zuck and Altman) directly, in order to save ourselves.
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A lot of ordinary people also say they want to do everything they can against climate change but then fail to make their own simple sacrafices like reusable cups, walking instead of driving, keeping the heat lower in winter etc. Everyone wants to end climate change but without sacraficing any modern conveniences
Paper straws are not winning this battle, it’s a massive problem which must be solved at an institutional scale. This requires governments to participate, not individuals.
