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‘The tyranny of apps’: those without smartphones are unfairly penalised, say campaigners

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  • K [email protected]

    THIS IS ACTUALLY SO REAL FUCKING SMARTPHONES I HATE STEVE JOBS FUCK YOU WHY DID YOU RUIN TECHNOLOGY.

    ok rant over, but seriously though, it's so fucked how you basically just need a smartphone to do ANYTHING these days. I don't want a phone, i have no use for one.

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    Not sure if we can really blame Steve Jobs for this though, he wasn't around when things turned to shit. The iPhone he introduced was merely a phone, web browser, email and music player.

    I think it's fair if we blame Tim Apple for this and the other big tech CEO's of the recent past.

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      That...

      Is that not illegal where you live?

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      It’s not even required that apartment buildings have laundry services at all. There are commercial storefront laundromats in the US which serve as the ground floor for where people do their laundry. Until landlords are required to provide laundry, it will be hard to legislate what payment forms they must accept.

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      • bruhduh@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

        https://store.planetcom.co.uk/products/astro-slide

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        Do NOT give these fucking cunts any fucking money. I was a backer for this phone on indiegogo.

        They are liars when they eventually did communicate any updates during the project. They produced around 2000 units, most of which were sent to people who backed the project years after the first backers on indiegogo because they backed on a different platform.

        Ultimately they just shut down the kickstarter giving no actual details. They stole thousands of peoples money through that. They made a product with the money people contributed to back the project and then just shuttered the project so they wouldn't need to deliver a device to these backers.

        I didn't realise they were now trying to sell them again but the units that did get shipped were massively out of date and barely worked as it is.

        If you want a keyboard on a phone Unihertz are about your only option right now.

        Fuck planet computers, thieving fucking cunts

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        • daggermoon@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

          I'm young and I fucking hate apps. I have android phone without a google account which works well for the most part. I'm too dumb to install LineageOS. and Linux phones aren't really an option in the US.

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          Why are they no option in the US?

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          • loudwaterenjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.comL [email protected]

            Why are they no option in the US?

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            Carrier support is pretty much non-existant from what I have seen.

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            • engineergaming@feddit.nlE [email protected]

              No I have not, heard it is offensive and unfunny.

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              Well, I was merely asking because I know about shared laundry rooms being a thing in US because of that show.

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              • a_random_idiot@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                everyone wants to force you to use apps instead of websites, because websites and browsers have inbuilt protections.

                Apps don't.

                Idiots install apps, give them the 400,000 permissions they ask for, then go on their merry way..ignorant to the fact that they just installed a data vacuum on their phone thats siphoning everything off of it to be used and sold and resold for marketing purposes.. Even the phone itself its not safe, cause its sitting there, listening to your conversations, even when not on a call, to more "Accurately" spam you with bullshit.

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                Yep, 100%. That digital coupon is you getting paid $0.33 for the data they collected from you.

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                • daggermoon@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                  Carrier support is pretty much non-existant from what I have seen.

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                  https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php?title=PinePhone_Carrier_Support#North_America

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                    It is more about being able to constantly spy on everyone. Funny how this exact sentence would have labeled one as a conspiracy nut not too long ago.

                    Constantly online means constant (more or less) analytics, means constant data to throw in the big computer to make you buy more shit or vote for the shit party.

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                    I think I would agree due to when I have been sitting in public somewhere with others sitting around, they have clearly been programmed by their phone, subservient to their master. I do also wonder if there is an IQ element to it. Having a lower level of personal intelligence so they have been conned into believe that they must have a phone that is connected to internet at all times everywhere.

                    Spend 2 months without cell service, without mobile service, and you will see how far gone many, many people are. I'm fully serious about live without cell service for 2 months, the world does not look the way you think it does.

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                    • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                      How about this:

                      At the apartments I recently moved out of, there were no quarter slots on the washing machines. They were an app that required a bluetooth connection to pay.

                      So if you lived there and didn't have a smartphone? Go fuck yourself, you don't get to do laundry.

                      Unless you bothered to check the laundry room when you were looking at the apartment, you wouldn't know. No warnings.

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                      I understand its probably the norm where you are but why aren't they just free to use? You pay rent...

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                      • S [email protected]

                        In Flanders, 🇧🇪, teachers have a card that gives them certain benefits. Free acces to musea, exhibitions,... This year they made it app only. You need to buy a smartphone to get your benefits...

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                        Surely that falls afoul of some sort of equality legislation/disability legislation?

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                          Y'all not heard of cash?

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                          Hey, I usually like to have about 50 PLN (~$12.50) in my wallet, but you can't expect everyone to keep loads of cash on them.

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                            Perhaps his friends do not have smart phones, because they do not want smart phones.

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                            Yes, but why don't they want smartphones?

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                            • D [email protected]
                              1. You can host a webserver on a Raspberry Pi. I don't know what you're doing with your setup but you absolutely do not need hundreds of watts to serve a few hundred KB worth of static webpage or PDF file. This website is powered by a 30 watt solar panel attached to a car battery on some guy's apartment balcony. As of writing its at 71% charge.

                              2. An Ampere Altra Max CPU has 128 ARM cores (the same architecture that a raspberry pi uses), with a 250 watt max TDP. That works out to about 2 watts per core. Each of those cores is more than enough to serve a little static webpage on its own, but in reality since a lot of these sites get less than a hundred hits per day the power cost can be amortized over thousands of them, and the individual cores can go to sleep if there's still not enough work to do. Go ahead and multiply that number by 4 for failover if you want, its still not a lot. (Not that the restaurant knows or cares about any of this, all this would be decided by a team of people at a massive IT company that the restaurant bought webpage hosting from).

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                              On top of that, even the server setup they talked about wouldn't actually cost that much energy to run, because that's not all that will be running on it. That physical host will likely have dozens or even hundreds of servers running on it, and the small menu serving webserver will account for hardly any of the power draw from the hosts.

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                              • leadore@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

                                I use a dumbphone. I'm not buying a smartphone just so I can play these stupid games, and I'm installing an app for every fucking business I interact with. I realize there will one day be a point where I won't be able to do things I need to do without one, but until then I have no desire for one. Fortunately they haven't made the parking meters here require a smartphone yet.

                                My grocery store still uses loyalty cards for most discounts (which is irritating enough), but also has "digital coupons" that require an app so I can't get that. Theoretically I could go to their website and print them off but that's not worth the effort. I have to pay close attention to the price signs they put up because some of them say "with digital coupon" in small print, meaning "not for you, bitch". You know who doesn't pull this kind of shit? Walmart. So I wind up getting a lot of my groceries there so as not to be discriminated against.

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                                Walmart doesn't let you use contactless pay unless you use their app. several times now I've gone there to grab a few things, not realizing i didn't have my card with me, and had to leave a full cart behind because i will not install their adware.

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                                • K [email protected]

                                  THIS IS ACTUALLY SO REAL FUCKING SMARTPHONES I HATE STEVE JOBS FUCK YOU WHY DID YOU RUIN TECHNOLOGY.

                                  ok rant over, but seriously though, it's so fucked how you basically just need a smartphone to do ANYTHING these days. I don't want a phone, i have no use for one.

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                                  sounds like you DO have a use for one...

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                                    the gates that slide over using a chain, they often have a removable link at the end. If you unhook the chain on the opener side, it will open one more time, then spit all the chain out trying to close it. I used to take that link out when living in complexes with those gates. Made life easier for most. Would take months for it to get fixed. They are just standard 1/2in x1/8in bike chain.

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                                    I don't live there anymore, but if I did this would be useful information.

                                    I think I forgot to mention that they had cameras pointed at the gates, and I have an extremely identifiable appearance.

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                                    • ladfrombrad@lemdro.idL [email protected]

                                      I literally had to switch bank accounts because I couldn't reset my password "on the web" and required me to use Virgin Money's app.

                                      Customer service agent(s) on the phone after prolonged discussions why their app wouldn't work on three Android phones right in front of me surfaced, and I shit you not

                                      Well sir, I have my iPhone here and can login just fine maybe you should buy one of those instead

                                      That day I found out about this

                                      https://www.currentaccountswitch.co.uk/

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                                      Dude that comment would make my blood boil, like holy shit.

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                                      • hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.comH [email protected]

                                        Surely that falls afoul of some sort of equality legislation/disability legislation?

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                                        in the height of covid panic, there was a wheelchair bound, oxygen tank connected, customer whom I still respect for unrelated reasons, who insisted on entering my store without a mask because he was disabled. My dude. If you are so weak that a mask would kill you, you should not be going to stores right now. Do you not know that there's a plague happening!?!?!? There are delivery services, and it doesn't cost that much.

                                        Americans will find any excuse to justify their lazy entitled bullshit.

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                                          I wouldn't mind these apps if there was actually a technical need for them beyond just being a Chromium component, but with added data slurping and pointless notifications.

                                          If I have to use an app to use your product/store, I won't use your product/store, with a side helping of go fuck yourself on top.

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