> "To enable the massive 256GB/s memory bandwidth that Ryzen AI Max delivers, the LPDDR5x is soldered," writes Framework CEO Nirav Patel in a post about today's announcements.
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Yeah hugely disappointed by this tbh. They should have made a gaming capable steam machine in cooperation with valve instead
This is an AI chip designed primarily for running AI workflows. The fact that it can game is secondary
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To be fair it starts with 32GB of RAM, which should be enough for most people. I know it's a bit ironic that Framework have a non-upgradeable part, but I can't see myself buying a 128GB machine and hoping to raise it any time in the future.
According to the CEO in the LTT video about this thing it was a design choice made by AMD because otherwise they cannot get the ram speed they advertise.
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This is an AI chip designed primarily for running AI workflows. The fact that it can game is secondary
Yeah exactly, its worthless... Even the big players already admit to the AI hype being over. This is the worst possible thing to launch for them, its like they have no idea who their customers are.
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Yeah exactly, its worthless... Even the big players already admit to the AI hype being over. This is the worst possible thing to launch for them, its like they have no idea who their customers are.
The AI hype being over doesn’t mean no one is working on AI anymore. LLMs and other trained models are here to stay whether you like it or not.
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Yeah exactly, its worthless... Even the big players already admit to the AI hype being over. This is the worst possible thing to launch for them, its like they have no idea who their customers are.
I mean, it's not. You can do aí workflows with this wonderful chip.
If you wanna game, go buy nvidia
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That they want to sell cheap ai research machines to use for workstation?
That's a poor attempt to knowingly misrepresent my statement.
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According to the CEO in the LTT video about this thing it was a design choice made by AMD because otherwise they cannot get the ram speed they advertise.
Which is fine, but there was no obligation for Framework to use that chip either.
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Which is fine, but there was no obligation for Framework to use that chip either.
In the same video it's pointed out that this product wouldn't exist at all without the AMD chip. It's literally built around it.
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To be fair it starts with 32GB of RAM, which should be enough for most people. I know it's a bit ironic that Framework have a non-upgradeable part, but I can't see myself buying a 128GB machine and hoping to raise it any time in the future.
My biggest gripe about non replaceable components is the chance that they'll fail. I've had pretty much every component die on me at some point. If it's replaceable it's fine because you just get a new component, but if it isn't you now have an expensive brick.
I will admit that I haven't had anything fail recently like in the past, I have a feeling the capacitor plague of the early 2000s influenced my opinion on replaceable parts.
I also don't fall in the category of people that need soldered components in order to meet their demands, I'm happy with raspberry pis and used business PCs.
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That's a poor attempt to knowingly misrepresent my statement.
No, it is a question
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No, it is a question
The answer is that they're abandoning their principles to pursue some other market segment.
Although I guess it could be said to be like Porsche and Lamborghini selling SUVs to support the development of their sports cars...
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Which is fine, but there was no obligation for Framework to use that chip either.
Suppose the counter is that the market is chock full of modular options to build a system without framework.
In the laptop space, it's their unique hook in a market that is otherwise devoid of modularity. In the desktop space, even the mini itx space, framework doesn't really need to be serving that modularity requirement since it is so well served already. It might make it so I'm likely to ignore it completely, but I'm not going to be super bothered when I have so many other options
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"To enable the massive 256GB/s memory bandwidth that Ryzen AI Max delivers, the LPDDR5x is soldered," writes Framework CEO Nirav Patel in a post about today's announcements. "We spent months working with AMD to explore ways around this but ultimately determined that it wasn’t technically feasible to land modular memory at high throughput with the 256-bit memory bus. Because the memory is non-upgradeable, we’re being deliberate in making memory pricing more reasonable than you might find with other brands."
Well, more specifically: why didn’t they try to go for LPCAMM?
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My biggest gripe about non replaceable components is the chance that they'll fail. I've had pretty much every component die on me at some point. If it's replaceable it's fine because you just get a new component, but if it isn't you now have an expensive brick.
I will admit that I haven't had anything fail recently like in the past, I have a feeling the capacitor plague of the early 2000s influenced my opinion on replaceable parts.
I also don't fall in the category of people that need soldered components in order to meet their demands, I'm happy with raspberry pis and used business PCs.
You can get an MS-A1 barebones from minisforum right now for like 215 - BYO cpu, ddr5, and m2. But it’s got oculink on the back (the pcie dock is 100, but not mandatory if you’re not going to use it). I think it’s supposed to be on sale for another couple days.
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It runs on the gpu
Many LLM operations rely on fast memory and gpus seem to have that. Even though their memory is soldered and vbios is practically a black box that is tightly controlled. Nothing on a GPU is modular or repairable without soldering skills(and tools).
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The answer is that they're abandoning their principles to pursue some other market segment.
Although I guess it could be said to be like Porsche and Lamborghini selling SUVs to support the development of their sports cars...
I don't understand how that answers my question
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I don't understand how that answers my question
To be fair, you didn't ask a question. You made a statement and ended it with a question mark, so I don't really understand exactly what it is that you were asking.
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Which is fine, but there was no obligation for Framework to use that chip either.
That chip is one-of-a-kind. Most people and I are getting that PC just because of that chip and the price (the price is very reasonable). Without it that PC is not worth it at all.
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Well, more specifically: why didn’t they try to go for LPCAMM?
From what I understand, they did try, but AMD couldn't get it to work because of signal integrity issues.
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Well, more specifically: why didn’t they try to go for LPCAMM?
Because you’d get like half the memory bandwidth to a product where performance is most likely bandwidth limited. Signal integrity is a bitch.
