Lemmy Just Broke the 54k MAU Record Set During the 2023 API Exodus!
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Just keep posting and being the type of person you want to see as a community member here. The other site was exactly like you described above for a very long time!
I can't be responsible for changing others. That is an unfair request.
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MAU? Mostly Anal Users? Martian Appalachian Upholstery? Mass Ass Underwear? Missing Alligator Utensils? Moldy Apple Uterus? Massive Arctic Uranus?
Most Awesome Users
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Insta-ban!
Are tomato's on pizza ok?
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And then in 5-10 years the users will destroy it like everything else on the Internet...
Seriously, though, make me wrong - because this kind of model is so new to me, I don't know, is there anything different about this that will resist it going the way of things that were once good and eventually weren't, like Craigslist and Reddit?
Obviously a lot of Reddit sucks due to how it's run, but let's not overlook that part of its downfall, like with Craigslist, is the users as it grew having no respect for the model. I've been on my way out since well before the API exodus (and yet I was addicted and too lazy until now, that's on me). People posting whatever they want wherever they want and having very little understanding of nuance in language ("oddly satisfying" doesn't just mean "I like this"), misusing downvoting (I know I'm yelling at clouds, but that was where Reddit was doomed from the start to become an echo chamber, and I didn't know if Lemmy is different in that respect - do votes determine visibility here?), moderators becoming more power hungry, and I'm sorry if this is mean, but the userbase trending younger steering content much more to "mah crush, aitah?," fake stories for "points," and I feel the general populace there being more gullible. Not to mention the same comments being made over and over, and I'm not talking about bots, I'm talking about constant "this is the way" and "username checks out."
I've seen so many actual discussions here already that are full of real passion and good points even when they're heated, some lovely user created and has posted around a really through socialist reading list. I've only seen "this is the way" once. Reddit is lazy one-word answers and downvotes. How do we encourage this and discourage that?
Anyway, I rant. This place is great now and will only get better as it grows, but I hope this model will in some way resist that downfall. But I've come to accept that nothing on the Internet is permanent. And also that people are gonna people and if I don't like that, it's on me to leave.
If your instance gets destroyed, there will be others to join.
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There are dozens of us.
I am one of the proud new users, and this is great to see!
Welcome! It feels fresh to not be on a big tech platform.
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Its still a shame that I will never recommend this place to anyone I know until the community changes here.
Its a bit chicken and the egg cause we likely need one for the other. But with the users proclivity for bans, and blocks you end up with a user base even smaller and discussion that more feels like a battle to be right most of the time because intellectual superiority is looked up to rather than conversation.
I still think a community of people competing to be the most right in every comment section does not lead to actual community and doesn't even help provide facts or info to most communities when there are not many niches to which people in here can participate in. Objective facts work best not in fandoms but in crafts. Like what glue doesn't melt Styrofoam when doing prop building not which show or game is best.
I may be alone in this but I yearn for "the normies".
this is a problem with fediverse in general imho.
the tools admins and users have are blunt (defederate or block). with all sorts of content moderation policies and opinions you will inevitably end up either alienated from everyone or surrounded by people that think and talk just like you.
fediverse does offer many advantages... creating a better online "town square" is just not going to be one of them.
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this is a problem with fediverse in general imho.
the tools admins and users have are blunt (defederate or block). with all sorts of content moderation policies and opinions you will inevitably end up either alienated from everyone or surrounded by people that think and talk just like you.
fediverse does offer many advantages... creating a better online "town square" is just not going to be one of them.
Tool development is one of the things that we're going to have to go that. Thankfully Creative Energy being poured into server software and apps is something that's already happening quite natural even that small user base numbers
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Its still a shame that I will never recommend this place to anyone I know until the community changes here.
Its a bit chicken and the egg cause we likely need one for the other. But with the users proclivity for bans, and blocks you end up with a user base even smaller and discussion that more feels like a battle to be right most of the time because intellectual superiority is looked up to rather than conversation.
I still think a community of people competing to be the most right in every comment section does not lead to actual community and doesn't even help provide facts or info to most communities when there are not many niches to which people in here can participate in. Objective facts work best not in fandoms but in crafts. Like what glue doesn't melt Styrofoam when doing prop building not which show or game is best.
I may be alone in this but I yearn for "the normies".
Me too, but I still prefer this place to reddit. I have the same exact gripe: those that must be the most right. I've just found a lot more of them on reddit than lemmy. I have lost count of the amount of times I start to write something on reddit, then imagine how someone somewhere, from some angle, can decide to be offended if they want to, then just delete the comment. It definitely happens on lemmy too, it's just in my experience it has happened less here, so I have been more willing to type out comments here. It really sucks that this has not been your experience.
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I think we need default instances that new users are put in to stream line the sign up process. Instances with little to no defederation so people can window shop for a instance that reflects their values. Or even just browse.
Looking through a intimidating list of instances all with their own special rules is not for everyone.
I agree, though you'll probably get a lot of pushback on that from Fediverse enthusiasts since it goes against the idea of the decentralised concept and we should "distribute the users more evenly among instances". At least that was the way discussion went on this topic back in 2023.
For the moment I feel like lemm.ee is a fairly solid "default" to recommend, though. Few defederations and great admins, very stable amd large enough to have a populated /all but not the massive behemoth that is .world (which I do agree has gotten too large).
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this is a problem with fediverse in general imho.
the tools admins and users have are blunt (defederate or block). with all sorts of content moderation policies and opinions you will inevitably end up either alienated from everyone or surrounded by people that think and talk just like you.
fediverse does offer many advantages... creating a better online "town square" is just not going to be one of them.
I have this insane thought that shorter bans but publicly stated when/why/how-long would be more beneficial to keeping a community aligned when it's all we got. And that it would be harder to abuse and give insight into mods efforts.
But yeah I have said to others I intend to use it more as a link aggregator by effort but not community.
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Are tomato's on pizza ok?
Are tomatoes a fruit?
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I'm beyond thrilled! can't wait to see some of my favorite communities spring up here.
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I can't be responsible for changing others. That is an unfair request.
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No, but there's fragmentation of communities. Instead of one central place for the community to form, you have to look at dozens of locations, where there may be a sub, but it may have 1 post in the last 4 months.
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It doesn't matter almost at all which instance a community is on. People could just unite the different scuba groups into one. Basically any they see fit. I'm not sure the decentralization really causes this effect. Or does it make it too difficult to find communities? I've been plenty able to find communities from various instances, at least.
If people have to follow breadcrumbs to find which of the dozen groups is active, if any, very few people are going to join.
On reddit, if you wanted to find a sub for airbrushing, you would type in /r/airbrush. That was it.
On Lemmy, there's no central location for communities, but even worse is that most of the big instances WILL have a community with that name - it'll just be a dead community that someone started but never took off, so there's a bunch of false leads.
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If people have to follow breadcrumbs to find which of the dozen groups is active, if any, very few people are going to join.
On reddit, if you wanted to find a sub for airbrushing, you would type in /r/airbrush. That was it.
On Lemmy, there's no central location for communities, but even worse is that most of the big instances WILL have a community with that name - it'll just be a dead community that someone started but never took off, so there's a bunch of false leads.
You aren't wrong with that
The problem exists, although its scale isn't as big as it first seems. On Lemmy you can write "Airbrush" and join the biggest of the communities. It's quite visible that this is what is happening in several communities. One starts growing and then that's what people choose to join, etc.
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I’m pretty new, but I like it here. It feels bigger than 54k MAU, probably because everyone is really active.
I completely agree!
Posting/commenting on Reddit largely feels like a waste of time to me if it’s not something big and attention grabbing. I would get zero people to interact for days, while on Lemmy I usually get a reply within a few hours if I have a question about a post.
Of course this isn’t evidence of anything, but I feel that it’s because Lemmy hasn’t been flooded with bots (yet? Hopefully never).
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I think we need default instances that new users are put in to stream line the sign up process. Instances with little to no defederation so people can window shop for a instance that reflects their values. Or even just browse.
Looking through a intimidating list of instances all with their own special rules is not for everyone.
Would it make sense to a preselected list of general instances in each region and simply have a sort of round robin approach to those instances that are within the users geolocation. This will align with legal laws of that user while removing the complexity and offering some sort of balancing of new signups? I know the idea with the fediverse is to be decentralized which it could still be for the users that care but i feel the most majority of people coming from Reddit probably won’t care (at least not at first)
