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  • 30p87@feddit.org3 [email protected]

    Rust: Downloading 7390327 crates...

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    So it's just JS with an even more immature spec

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      So it's just JS with an even more immature spec

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      I would disagree. Especially since unlike npm every part of cargo was through through with all the experience and knowledge gained from npm, pip, nuget & co.

      I have a LOT more problems with npm over cargo. Also it's 1 tool and not 100 different tools to do the same job (npm, pnpm, yarn, bun, deno, etc...)

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        C trying to take the shortest path to the goal.
        Would probably have won (and broken the universe), if the referee didn't exist.

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          This implies that Javascript will get moving in the correct direction once it finishes installing dependencies, but it's just going to get fucked with incorrect behavior that doesn't even have the courtesy to throw an actual error.

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            Labelling the crab as C is sure to ruffle some exoskeletons..

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              Labelling the crab as C is sure to ruffle some exoskeletons..

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              I mean, at the end of the day, if you really understand your language of choice, you know that it is jusf a bunch of fancy libraries and compiler tricks of top of C. So in my mind, I'm a fully evolved programmer in a language, when I could write anything I can write in that language in C instead.

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                C trying to take the shortest path to the goal.
                Would probably have won (and broken the universe), if the referee didn't exist.

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                Python is being even smarter by trying to underflow the distance to the finish line.

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                  "NPM install" isn't going to be the direct result of a race condition in JavaScript. And while I'm not familiar with Python, I'd guess that an "Indentation error" wouldn't be one either. A missing library or syntax error that's only discovered by executing a particular branch is still just a missing library or syntax error, not a race condition.

                  Also, while Node.js is popular, it isn't an integral part of JavaScript in the way that the other errors are integral to their respective languages.

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                    I mean, at the end of the day, if you really understand your language of choice, you know that it is jusf a bunch of fancy libraries and compiler tricks of top of C. So in my mind, I'm a fully evolved programmer in a language, when I could write anything I can write in that language in C instead.

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                    only true if your language compiles to c. fortran peeps are safe.

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                      "NPM install" isn't going to be the direct result of a race condition in JavaScript. And while I'm not familiar with Python, I'd guess that an "Indentation error" wouldn't be one either. A missing library or syntax error that's only discovered by executing a particular branch is still just a missing library or syntax error, not a race condition.

                      Also, while Node.js is popular, it isn't an integral part of JavaScript in the way that the other errors are integral to their respective languages.

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                      none of these are race conditions, they're just runtime errors. python only parses code when it is about to run that block so you can absolutely get a crash from bad indentation.

                      in my experience, the js world's focus on developer ergonomics has absolutely yielded some insane situations where running an installed script has caused it to start downloading more dependencies. however, this has unfortunately started happening in python too lately.

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                        Python is being even smarter by trying to underflow the distance to the finish line.

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                          and then there's ruby who didn't even qualify but still would have done better than the others.

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                            only true if your language compiles to c. fortran peeps are safe.

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                            I'm an 80's/90's BASIC bitch, so I'm still irrelevant!

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                              I mean, at the end of the day, if you really understand your language of choice, you know that it is jusf a bunch of fancy libraries and compiler tricks of top of C. So in my mind, I'm a fully evolved programmer in a language, when I could write anything I can write in that language in C instead.

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                              I mean, yeah, most languages are turing complete.

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                                Python? That’s an embarrassed GAMBAS!

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                                  Labelling the crab as C is sure to ruffle some exoskeletons..

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                                  As at least one nautically themed childrens' book surely has it: C is for crab.

                                  Coming at programming sideways feels more like a Haskell or Prolog thing, though.

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                                    none of these are race conditions, they're just runtime errors. python only parses code when it is about to run that block so you can absolutely get a crash from bad indentation.

                                    in my experience, the js world's focus on developer ergonomics has absolutely yielded some insane situations where running an installed script has caused it to start downloading more dependencies. however, this has unfortunately started happening in python too lately.

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                                    NullPointerException can be related to a race condition.

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                                      Noob should've used PNPM

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                                        I mean, at the end of the day, if you really understand your language of choice, you know that it is jusf a bunch of fancy libraries and compiler tricks of top of C. So in my mind, I'm a fully evolved programmer in a language, when I could write anything I can write in that language in C instead.

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                                        It's not what you can use that language to do - all general purpose languages are Turing Complete, so what you can do with them is exactly equal. It is about what the language will do for you. Rust compiler will stop you from writing memory unsafe code, C compiler cannot do that.

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                                          It's not what you can use that language to do - all general purpose languages are Turing Complete, so what you can do with them is exactly equal. It is about what the language will do for you. Rust compiler will stop you from writing memory unsafe code, C compiler cannot do that.

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                                          ...are Turing Complete, so what you can do with them is exactly equal.

                                          But they're only equal in the Turing complete sense, which (iirc) says nothing about performance or timing.

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