Mozilla under fire for Firefox AI "bloat" that blows up CPU and drains battery
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The userbase does want to give them money though. I constantly hear people say that they want to donate to Firefox, but Mozilla doesn't let them do that.
Also, I never said that Patreon would give them more money. It would be less money, but it would be more effective, as they could finally ditch the worthless exectutives that keep draining Mozilla's resources.
The userbase does want to give them money though
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- Good for the massive waves of people who want to give Mozilla money. They already can https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/?form=donate-header
It would be less money, but it would be more effective
Oh yeah. I LOVE when my boss tells me that I am going to get paid less but I will be more effective because of it. Oh, wait, no I don't.
Honestly? it sounds like you don't care about reality and just care about things being ideologically pure for you with the expectation that it will all work out. So... maybe try to educate yourself on any of all this before trying to have a discussion about it?
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The userbase does want to give them money though
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- Good for the massive waves of people who want to give Mozilla money. They already can https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/?form=donate-header
It would be less money, but it would be more effective
Oh yeah. I LOVE when my boss tells me that I am going to get paid less but I will be more effective because of it. Oh, wait, no I don't.
Honestly? it sounds like you don't care about reality and just care about things being ideologically pure for you with the expectation that it will all work out. So... maybe try to educate yourself on any of all this before trying to have a discussion about it?
Citation requested
Do some searching here, on reddit, etc. You'll find it.
Good for the massive waves of people who want to give Mozilla money. They already can https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/?form=donate-header
That's not what I said. I said that they wanted to donate to Firefox, not Mozilla. I find it very telling that Mozilla doesn't let them do that, but insteads forces people to donate to the org, that overpays it's executives.
Oh yeah. I LOVE when my boss tells me that I am going to get paid less but I will be more effective because of it. Oh, wait, no I don't.
Who said that the people who are actually working on Firefox would get paid less? I certainly didn't. I clearly said that the useless executives would get paid less
Honestly? it sounds like you don't care about reality and just care about things being ideologically pure for you with the expectation that it will all work out. So... maybe try to educate yourself on any of all this before trying to have a discussion about it?
I have. But you clearly didn't read what I posted. If you aren't going to address the things that I wrote, why comment?
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Citation requested
Do some searching here, on reddit, etc. You'll find it.
Good for the massive waves of people who want to give Mozilla money. They already can https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/?form=donate-header
That's not what I said. I said that they wanted to donate to Firefox, not Mozilla. I find it very telling that Mozilla doesn't let them do that, but insteads forces people to donate to the org, that overpays it's executives.
Oh yeah. I LOVE when my boss tells me that I am going to get paid less but I will be more effective because of it. Oh, wait, no I don't.
Who said that the people who are actually working on Firefox would get paid less? I certainly didn't. I clearly said that the useless executives would get paid less
Honestly? it sounds like you don't care about reality and just care about things being ideologically pure for you with the expectation that it will all work out. So... maybe try to educate yourself on any of all this before trying to have a discussion about it?
I have. But you clearly didn't read what I posted. If you aren't going to address the things that I wrote, why comment?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Apologies but I have a hard time addressing a lack of evidence and vague "Okay, we fire all the managers and get rid of most of the funding sources and everything will be better" nonsense. And the REAL problem is that... Thunderbird exists?
None of this is new or unique. Hell, the frigging Linux Kernel has a LOT of corporate sponsorship simply because users don't actually show up to pay
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Apologies but I have a hard time addressing a lack of evidence and vague "Okay, we fire all the managers and get rid of most of the funding sources and everything will be better" nonsense. And the REAL problem is that... Thunderbird exists?
None of this is new or unique. Hell, the frigging Linux Kernel has a LOT of corporate sponsorship simply because users don't actually show up to pay
And I have a hard time addressing people who refuse to research, and keep arguing against things that I never said.
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And I have a hard time addressing people who refuse to research, and keep arguing against things that I never said.
... do you often find people who research and argue your points to you for you?
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... do you often find people who research and argue your points to you for you?
Yes. I find a lot of people actually learn what they are talking about before talking about it. I also find that a lot of people read what I write, and address those points, rather than points that I never made.
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where is this AI bloat exactly? I use Firefox every day and see no difference
Still waiting for this bloat to show up, and I'm on the latest update.
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There is none, this is all AI=bad knee-jerk reaction. From what I can tell, so far Firefox has 3 ML-based systems implemented:
- Site / text translation - fully local, small model, requires manual action from user
- Tab grouping suggestions - fully local, small model, requires manual action from user
- Image alt text generation (when adding images to a PDF) - fully local, small model, looks like it's enabled by default but can be turned off directly in the modal that appears when adding alt text
All of these models are small enough to be quickly run locally on mobile devices with minimal wait time. The CPU spikes appear to be a bug in the inference module implementation - not an intended behavior.
Firefox also provides UI for connecting to cloud-based chatbots on a sidebar, but they need to be manually enabled to be used. The sidebar is also customizable so anyone who doesn't want this button there can just remove it. There's also a setting in about:config that removes it harder.
I actually really like the way Mozilla is introducing these features. I recently had to visit another country's post office site and having the ability to just instantly translate it directly on my device is great.
You meant to tell me the general public has kneejerk reactions and don't know how a computer works?
What a shock that lemmy bashes Mozilla for doing their job.
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You can literally do it through the menu. Go to settings, hit labs or search "ai" and untick it
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no AI
/edit: There's a setting under General -> Tabs for the tab group naming suggestions.
The article only talked about
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Because they keep betraying their supposed values for short-term gains.
What is the gain? What is a single gain you think they have milked from their users?
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Correction: power users, such as the type on Lemmy, trend towards hating ai. That is by no means “all users” by any stretch of the term.
Why do you enter a guesstimate as a explanation for why if you have no idea, do you think that if you say it enough it will be like that?
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What is the gain? What is a single gain you think they have milked from their users?
Money for their executives
