Trump says he will introduce 25% tariffs on autos, pharmaceuticals and chips.
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When a quarter of the most qualified engineers to make the stuff and a lot of the cheap manual labor are immigrants and you do a campaign against immigrants so they leave, maybe you don't have enough people left to to create local production.
Illegal immigrants went to America because their home countries are fucking miserable. They're not going back because they don't feel welcome. And they're definitely not engineers, much less the "most qualified" engineers.
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We don't manufacture cars in the United States we assemble them. Most of the parts for cars are made outside of the states. Mainly in China.
No country manufactures cars 100% locally. We live in a global economy. All cars are made from components sourced from countries all over the world, in varying degrees.
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On the one hand, fostering local production of these goods is positive for national resilience, and also has a chance to reduce shipping around the world, which is bad for the environment.
On the other hand, good fucking luck, lol.
I agree, tariffs will be a net positive for the country. Problem is, the people taking the brunt of that impact will, as always, be the poorest and most vulnerable. There are many ways we could solve that problem but of course authoritarians have no interest in that.
That being said, anyone who voted for Trump thinking he would fix the economy is a fucking moron. Tariffs make shit worse before they get better. It will probably be a decade before we start to see any positive impact from them.
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Illegal immigrants went to America because their home countries are fucking miserable. They're not going back because they don't feel welcome. And they're definitely not engineers, much less the "most qualified" engineers.
I said immigrants, not illegal immigrants. But in the end, legal immigrants get deported too.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/foreign-born-stem-workers-united-states
As of 2019, immigrants made up almost one-fourth, or 23.1 percent, of all STEM workers in the entire country.
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/01/politics/migrants-legal-status-trump-biden/index.html
The Trump administration is preparing to revoke legal status for many migrants who entered the United States under a Biden-era program, according to a source familiar with the planning, expanding the pool of people who could be deported.
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tariffs are just a tax on the plebs. more money for them to funnel into billionaire pockets.
Those new AI datacenters will get hit hard by that if it goes through. And Elon Musk is still trying to build them. That is a 25% tarrif on every CPU, motherboard, NVME drive, GPU, network switch, and optic.
Unless import duties only apply to chips not soldered into devices in which case all the foreign produced stuff is fine and the American assembled stuff is no longer competative. Oops
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I said immigrants, not illegal immigrants. But in the end, legal immigrants get deported too.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/foreign-born-stem-workers-united-states
As of 2019, immigrants made up almost one-fourth, or 23.1 percent, of all STEM workers in the entire country.
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/01/politics/migrants-legal-status-trump-biden/index.html
The Trump administration is preparing to revoke legal status for many migrants who entered the United States under a Biden-era program, according to a source familiar with the planning, expanding the pool of people who could be deported.
legal immigrants get deported
You have evidence of this?
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legal immigrants get deported
You have evidence of this?
A search turns up some hits legal migrants are put in detention centers. But you can also wait a few weeks and evidence should be on the news.
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For better or worse, all Teslas sold in USA are built in Fremont or Austin.
My 2024 MSLR is made in Freemont CA but you can be certain the display, CPU and sensors aren't made in America.
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My 2024 MSLR is made in Freemont CA but you can be certain the display, CPU and sensors aren't made in America.
Yes that would be covered under "chips" but not under autos.
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A search turns up some hits legal migrants are put in detention centers. But you can also wait a few weeks and evidence should be on the news.
Ah yes, the classic "look into it" argument. When evidence finds itself in the news I will consider this a threat. Until then, your claims are unfounded.
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The phrase is champing at the bit. I was 35 years old before I learned that, so thought I'd pass it on. Thanks for posting!
I love learning new things, thank you for helping update my phrasing! Also 35, maybe this is just when we're supposed to learn this phrase?
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Ghost chips too?
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Those new AI datacenters will get hit hard by that if it goes through. And Elon Musk is still trying to build them. That is a 25% tarrif on every CPU, motherboard, NVME drive, GPU, network switch, and optic.
Unless import duties only apply to chips not soldered into devices in which case all the foreign produced stuff is fine and the American assembled stuff is no longer competative. Oops
You really think Elon is paying tarrifs? Or bills? Or his employees?
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Spicy chips?
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Those new AI datacenters will get hit hard by that if it goes through. And Elon Musk is still trying to build them. That is a 25% tarrif on every CPU, motherboard, NVME drive, GPU, network switch, and optic.
Unless import duties only apply to chips not soldered into devices in which case all the foreign produced stuff is fine and the American assembled stuff is no longer competative. Oops
It's possible AI data centers will just be outsourced to other countries. You don't really need the data center to exist locally in the US
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Ah yes, the classic "look into it" argument. When evidence finds itself in the news I will consider this a threat. Until then, your claims are unfounded.
Physically removed Americans from the United States
A number of Americans have been placed in immigration detention centers to be deported but were later released.[15][16] Up to one percent of all those detained in immigration detention centers are nationals of the United States according to research by Jacqueline Stevens, a professor of political science at Northwestern University.[21]
The following is an incomplete list of Americans who have actually experienced deportation from the United States:
Pedro Guzman, born in the State of California, was forcefully removed to Mexico in 2007 but returned several months later by crossing the Mexico–United States border. He was finally compensated in 2010 by receiving $350,000 from the government.[22]
Mark Daniel Lyttle, born in the State of North Carolina, was forcefully removed to Mexico but later returned to the United States from Guatemala and filed a damages lawsuit in federal court,[13] which he ultimately won.[2]
Andres Robles Gonzalez derived U.S. citizenship through his U.S. citizen father before being forcefully removed to Mexico. He was returned to the United States and filed a damages lawsuit in federal court, which he ultimately won.[3][23]
Roberto Dominquez was born in Lawrence, Massachusetts. He was deported to the Dominican Republic. The government is unconvinced in this case as it claims that there are two people by the same name, both born during the same month and year. According to the government, both children were born to parents with the same addresses, and that one child was born in Santo Domingo, the capital of the Dominican Republic.[24]
Esteban Tiznado-Reyna was born in Mexico to a father who had an Arizona birth certificate, which was found unreliable in an immigration court.[25] Tiznado was found not guilty of illegal reentry into the United States in 2008, but ICE still deported him despite the verdict. Documents were uncovered that the USCIS withheld in the 1980s, showing his proof of citizenship.[24]https://immigrationimpact.com/2021/07/30/ice-deport-us-citizens/
and this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Americans_from_the_United_States
I want to point out that this list is INCOMPLETE and you should go to the bottom of the Wikipedia page you will see numerous articles depicting the stories of the people above.
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Physically removed Americans from the United States
A number of Americans have been placed in immigration detention centers to be deported but were later released.[15][16] Up to one percent of all those detained in immigration detention centers are nationals of the United States according to research by Jacqueline Stevens, a professor of political science at Northwestern University.[21]
The following is an incomplete list of Americans who have actually experienced deportation from the United States:
Pedro Guzman, born in the State of California, was forcefully removed to Mexico in 2007 but returned several months later by crossing the Mexico–United States border. He was finally compensated in 2010 by receiving $350,000 from the government.[22]
Mark Daniel Lyttle, born in the State of North Carolina, was forcefully removed to Mexico but later returned to the United States from Guatemala and filed a damages lawsuit in federal court,[13] which he ultimately won.[2]
Andres Robles Gonzalez derived U.S. citizenship through his U.S. citizen father before being forcefully removed to Mexico. He was returned to the United States and filed a damages lawsuit in federal court, which he ultimately won.[3][23]
Roberto Dominquez was born in Lawrence, Massachusetts. He was deported to the Dominican Republic. The government is unconvinced in this case as it claims that there are two people by the same name, both born during the same month and year. According to the government, both children were born to parents with the same addresses, and that one child was born in Santo Domingo, the capital of the Dominican Republic.[24]
Esteban Tiznado-Reyna was born in Mexico to a father who had an Arizona birth certificate, which was found unreliable in an immigration court.[25] Tiznado was found not guilty of illegal reentry into the United States in 2008, but ICE still deported him despite the verdict. Documents were uncovered that the USCIS withheld in the 1980s, showing his proof of citizenship.[24]https://immigrationimpact.com/2021/07/30/ice-deport-us-citizens/
and this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Americans_from_the_United_States
I want to point out that this list is INCOMPLETE and you should go to the bottom of the Wikipedia page you will see numerous articles depicting the stories of the people above.
I see a handful of mistakes that are not indicative of any policies of deporting legal immigrants. This is most certainly not indicative of any sort of national economic impact.
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I see a handful of mistakes that are not indicative of any policies of deporting legal immigrants. This is most certainly not indicative of any sort of national economic impact.
You asked for evidence of legal immigrants being deported. I gave you evidence of AMERICAN CITIZENS being deported.
You: Moved the goalposts.
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You asked for evidence of legal immigrants being deported. I gave you evidence of AMERICAN CITIZENS being deported.
You: Moved the goalposts.
I asked for evidence that was supposed to back up your claim of "you don't have enough people left to to create local production." It did not. A handful of people (who are not engineers) being deported accidentally is not going to impact the ability to create local production.
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I asked for evidence that was supposed to back up your claim of "you don't have enough people left to to create local production." It did not. A handful of people (who are not engineers) being deported accidentally is not going to impact the ability to create local production.
I'm responding to this
You need to learn to read usernames. I've made no claims
