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The US is now the enemy of the west

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  • doom@ttrpg.networkD [email protected]

    I wouldn't. You're mistaking countries under the thumb of the West as being the West

    WWII and Korea are how those countries came about their position today. I don't think they're entirely against their position but they don't have a seat at the table like the others do

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    They have has as much of a seat as warrants their size and economic power, perhaps even more because of their location as a buffer against China. Most EU countries have pull only because they are part of the EU. Compare Spain and Japan on the world stage, for example.

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      Do not stop there. Get enlisted into their army

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      I heard 5 piles of Gunpowder and 4 of sand creates explosives that you can attach to the drones you are sending them. In addition the acquisition of gun powder reduces the amount of creeps

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      • aleq@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

        I guess "NATO and friends" might be a bit shortsighted?

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        NATO and Friends sounds like some Paw Patrol type cartoon.

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          Yes ofc.. Everything Trump has been saying and doing is insane.

          But we should also be carefull about simply parroting US media. It seems the USA media en politicians want to escalate this. Actually, the US media while apperantly trashing Trump, may be playing exactly in his hands.

          Or am I stretching it? I mean have you noticed how the (established) EU media and politicians have been more much nuanced in their reports?

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            We should stop calling it "the west" then.
            It's always been a ridiculous name for a group that includes Australia, Europe, and USA.
            We should think of a new name...

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            The Free World

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              Anyone kind enough to share a link?

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                Anyone kind enough to share a link?

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                https://archive.ph/pmNhr

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                  No country in South America, Africa or Asia is part of "the west".
                  I admit I forgot Canada and New Zealand, as is tradition.

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                  The point was to stop using the term the west, because there's a lot more

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                  • carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zoneC [email protected]

                    they are imperialist too, but not nearly to the same degree

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                    "the country currently invading another country to claim their land, people and resources is far less imperialist than the ones that don't"

                    Wild take komrad.

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                      Yes ofc.. Everything Trump has been saying and doing is insane.

                      But we should also be carefull about simply parroting US media. It seems the USA media en politicians want to escalate this. Actually, the US media while apperantly trashing Trump, may be playing exactly in his hands.

                      Or am I stretching it? I mean have you noticed how the (established) EU media and politicians have been more much nuanced in their reports?

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                      It doesn't matter. USA has shown again, that they're an unreliable partner. You have good relations with President A and a few years later, everything is down the drain with President B. You can't build a solid relationship on that basis. You now have the worlds strongest military in the hands of a billionare and I don't mean Trump.

                      Canada and EU should plan their future without US involved.

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                        They let themselves go too much

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                          The Last States of Democracy

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                          Nice acronym

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                            I mean, yeah? They are literally talking about invading former allies.

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                            • doom@ttrpg.networkD [email protected]

                              The "other side" is imperial too. That doesn't make sense.

                              The entire thing is just imperial powers battling and using everything in-between as pawns.

                              Do you think Russia, China and Saudi Arabia aren't doing the same thing to places?

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                              No need for whataboutism when discussing the imperial tendencies and supremacy in the west.

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                                https://archive.ph/pmNhr

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                                Thank you!

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                                  I mean, yeah? They are literally talking about invading former allies.

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                                  Despite all the noise around this, I find it strange how little we seem to be taking this seriously, like they're the ramblings of a confused old man rather than threats made by the president of the United States...

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                                    How do you explain this to the slaves in USA?

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                                    The who?

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                                    • obi@sopuli.xyzO [email protected]

                                      Despite all the noise around this, I find it strange how little we seem to be taking this seriously, like they're the ramblings of a confused old man rather than threats made by the president of the United States...

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                                      Same feeling 8 years ago, honestly.

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                                        No need for whataboutism when discussing the imperial tendencies and supremacy in the west.

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                                        not a whataboutism

                                        imagine if we named the West, the guys with guns. The other guys have guns too so it's not a great name. That's not a whataboutism lol

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                                        • match@pawb.socialM [email protected]

                                          Japan's the third largest country in the world and they aligned themselves with the West in the Meiji restoration. they sought imperial conquest of their neighbors in the 1900s. what more do you want for them to be the West

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                                          Not willingly. This is a core tenet of meoliberalism.

                                          Japan has blurred porn because of the US. Any laws Japan has made that US citizens have to follow? Nope. How many Japanese military bases exist in America. 0.

                                          They do not have an equal seat at the table.

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