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'We Are Witnessing a New Brain Drain' as Scientists Flee America for France

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  • E [email protected]

    43 people is more than 40, but not a lot

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    That's people I personally know. Not from academia or industry.

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    • P [email protected]

      That is exactly what they want. They want us to literally live like dark age serfs while they live in opulent and highly technologically advanced palaces that cater to them.

      They don't just want everything. They want everyone else to have NOTHING. A billionaire in a chauffered Bently that costs 500,000 dollars definitely looks down on people driving Honda Civics that cost 20,000. But imagine if they were in that Bently and the people around them had no cars, and even a bicycle is a luxury, and whatever public transport that is available is prone to breakdown. Their ability to look down upon the serfs is much greater, which is what they want.

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      The issue is that technology advances with the whole, the internet/smartphones/gaming etc. All benefit from large populations being able to buy/engage with them.

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        Where you going to? I'm a data engineer living in Malmö. I can help you get settled if you're in Skåne

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        Depending where I may get accepted, I'm likely to end up in Umeå, Boden, or Skellefteå. So just a bit further north than Malmö 😅 I appreciate the offer though

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          Yeah I know but didn't want to assume. Some people have family roots for example.
          I do work with US colleagues and not all feel the need to move countries for example, which I find very interesting because it sure looks like a shit show to me. I'm not based in the US myself.

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          I was actually just starting to root here, for the first time in my life I felt like I could settle in somewhere. Then my polycyle imploded, lost most my friends, divorce, job is getting worse every day. Leaving the US has always been a dream of mine but I felt tied hereost the time. Losing my entire social circle created a convenient opening

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          • V [email protected]

            The affordable housing is the more pressing problem.

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            how much worse is it than major metros in the empire?

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            • E [email protected]

              Which is the only one that the article mentioned as offering. Blame the article if you think the numbers are bigger and they didn't bother mentioning.

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              You don't get my meaning. I'm saying, a single university established this policy, and is getting these results. It's a pilot project that proves the viability of the strategy, and sets an example that can be followed by many many others.

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                The issue is that technology advances with the whole, the internet/smartphones/gaming etc. All benefit from large populations being able to buy/engage with them.

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                They don't care. At all. They would hoard it all for themselves and use as many common people as medical guinea pigs for medical experiments to prolong their own wretched existence, too. Imagine the average 'elite' living 20 or 30 years longer than the 'common' person. They would see more superior and like gods even though they fully well know it is entirely them killing their underlings.

                Trump effectively orchestrated the fucked up response to the pandemic that resulted in 500,000 deaths. They knew that far more minorities would be harmed than whites. If you think they also ultimately care about their white underlings you are wrong.

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                • P [email protected]

                  Ah gotcha yeah that makes a lot of sense! I hope that kind of bigotry dies out again soon but doesn't look like its slowing down.
                  I hope you can feel you can feel safe and be more like your true self now.

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                  Unfortunately I don't think it is going to die out, I think it will need to be rooted out at the cost of lives. The feeling safe part is important but I've been living my true self a while now. I make an active effort to not pass too well so that other trans people who feel they can't show themselves can see me and know there are others around. That was important for me early on so I want to provide that. Has led to some less than stellar interactions though even in Seattle...

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                    side note: Brain drain from an adversary is one of the reasons why the US completed the Manhattan Project faster. History repeating itself. Maybe this time around the fusion project is completed faster with the intention of long term peace without the need for deterrence.

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                    CERN was originally going to be built in Texas. Texas turned it down because they couldn't see wasting all that money. It was the first time I ever heard Texas sayign something cost too much.

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                      Je ne comprends pas l'anglais grossier

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                      Do make sure you understand rule 1 of this community though. 🙂

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                        Any recommendations on where to look? Specialized Sr Software Architect with a lot of Healthcare and Defense experience. I just need to be able to bring my family. Completely unconcerned about any amount of paycut. I just want my children to grow up safe. I've been looking at Ireland mainly, but open to any suggestions.

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                        To add to the previous comment: netherlands but there is an housing issue. Belgium has in military the FN Herstal weapons manufacturing plant, and a few stuff linked to NATO. But on a healthcare level, there are loads of pharma companies (GSK, Johnson, UCB, Solvay, Viatrus,... ). France has Dassault, so there is loads linked with military and software alike. And they have Sanofi in healthcare.

                        Big companies will go through bigger loops to help you with a visa. But in any case a lot of specialities can recieve fast tracked visa applications

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                          yea flash forward when marine le pen gets elected and these idiots realize they brought racism with them

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                            side note: Brain drain from an adversary is one of the reasons why the US completed the Manhattan Project faster. History repeating itself. Maybe this time around the fusion project is completed faster with the intention of long term peace without the need for deterrence.

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                            oooh so we get to nuke new york?

                            Fucking finally lmao

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                            • doomsdayrs@lemmy.mlD [email protected]

                              It will take me sometime to save enough money, but once I do I am fleeing as well.

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                              Come to belgium love we have waffles

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                              • a_norny_mousse@feddit.orgA [email protected]

                                We're already getting MAGA, thanks to the internet. It's called far-right populism. Many of their takes are taken over from the X crazies 1:1. Sometimes they don't even fit our situation. No matter. Flooding the zone is all that counts.

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                                U guys need to shut down Twitter and Facebook asap. Literally block it completely. Only way and only last chance. It's like rabies

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                                  Do make sure you understand rule 1 of this community though. 🙂

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                                  Oh yeah, I was only speaking French out of courtesy to the other poster. I just figured that would be a "French response" to the removed comment.

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                                  • J [email protected]

                                    Makes me wonder where all that money is going?

                                    Scroll down to spending categories. Most money is spent on things like social security, medicare, veteran care, unemployment insurance, and health. Defense is 13% (and absolutely needs to be audited ASAP). Interest payments on debt is now 13% and growing fast. This is why it's important to at least reduce the deficit as fast as possible. Imagine how much good the government could do with another $400B each year without those interest payments. (well, maybe not this government, but the next one).

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                                    Since this shows spending since 2024 oct it would mostly relate to spending in the government before actually wouldn't it? I am more interested in what they are going to do with all the influx of money that will come from all the funding cuts that have happened in the last month or so.

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                                      CERN was originally going to be built in Texas. Texas turned it down because they couldn't see wasting all that money. It was the first time I ever heard Texas sayign something cost too much.

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                                      it just wasn’t big enough for texas…

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                                      • G [email protected]

                                        Can some of y’all flee to Canada instead?

                                        We have French Canada if your dead set on speaking French.

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                                        I 100% would but being “skilled labor” kinda ruins it. I am finding out that 15 years of nuclear instrumentation work doesn’t appear to help much, at least not according to what I have found. For now though I am stuck here dealing with the insanity of America’s downfall. New plan is to save all my money to spend abroad and in Canada when on vacation. Just embarrassing to be American now.

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                                        • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

                                          dude, as much as i'm anti-immigration, you're overdoing it, and also, your proposals are ineffective.

                                          in germany, for example, the population that immigrated since 2012 makes up approx. 3% of the total population. that means that the population is roughly 3% larger than it would be without that immigration.

                                          that is what you should be talking about. 3% larger population means higher workforce (supply of labor), and therefore lower wages (prices for labor). That is because the immigrants add almost no demand for labor (since they have a low buying power).

                                          Demand for labor is mainly driven by growth, and we've had two big waves of growth since 1800: Quantitative (industrialization) and qualitative (IT work). Since both of these two waves end their growth approx. now, the demand for labor goes down. There's no point in importing more labor force, it would only make the wages go down. That is what you have to talk about: the decreasing wages through the import of cheap labor. It's essentially wage-dumping in the own country. That is what the people should be talking about. Not racism. We're not better people than them, we just need to get the workforce smaller to drive the wages up.

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                                          This seems like a really bad take.

                                          Do take a look at the age pyramid @Miaou posted. Germany needs a lot of young people to herd its old people. German ministers flying to the Phillipines and Kenya and Brazil to find care workers -- that's for a reason! And dropping the birth rate lower does not mean more high-paying jobs, it means more low-paying care jobs in relation to total number of jobs.

                                          In addition there are a bunch of jobs that Germans don't really do anymore (plucking asparagus, slaughtering hogs, cleaning office buildings, ...) because they are badly paid hard labor which are however in some way useful to society.

                                          Granted, preventing migrants from taking bad jobs may mean that high-paying automation jobs open up. But that's the only silver lining. (Fwiw, Japan had a very strict immigration policy, because they figured that elderly care might be something easily accomplished with robot dogs and other gimmicks. It turns out though that that assumption was wrong. It also turns out that a lot of people from countries like Malaysia and the Phillipines would love to work in Japan, despite the racism. So Japan has adapted its policies on foreign labor somewhat now.)

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