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    Tricky. Bifurcation certainly is the right word here but claiming that both sides are equal participants doesn't quite cut it.

    I'd be willing to settle on "both sides do it, but one more than the other". And often the motivations are quite different, e.g. hate against minorities on one side, hate against the haters on the other.

    The problem in the USA is that what looks balanced (red vs blue, Republicans vs Democrats) really isn't: it's a huge fascist mob against everybody else.

    Far-right populism does not only embrace but squeeze every drop out of (social) media influencing. We can learn something from this, but not to the point of copying their disregard of truth and ethics.

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      Tricky. Bifurcation certainly is the right word here but claiming that both sides are equal participants doesn't quite cut it.

      I'd be willing to settle on "both sides do it, but one more than the other". And often the motivations are quite different, e.g. hate against minorities on one side, hate against the haters on the other.

      The problem in the USA is that what looks balanced (red vs blue, Republicans vs Democrats) really isn't: it's a huge fascist mob against everybody else.

      Far-right populism does not only embrace but squeeze every drop out of (social) media influencing. We can learn something from this, but not to the point of copying their disregard of truth and ethics.

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      It is bifurcation because both sides are completely blind to the issues that drive them. What you’re saying suggests that you are quick to brush those issues and ignore your own. Not every MAGA / Orban / PiS or whatever voter is an evil sociopath. They might have issues that are entirely unaddressed by the other side and choose a lesser evil for them because they were taught you can rely only on yourself by all brands of neoliberalism.

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        It is bifurcation because both sides are completely blind to the issues that drive them. What you’re saying suggests that you are quick to brush those issues and ignore your own. Not every MAGA / Orban / PiS or whatever voter is an evil sociopath. They might have issues that are entirely unaddressed by the other side and choose a lesser evil for them because they were taught you can rely only on yourself by all brands of neoliberalism.

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        both sides are completely blind to the issues that drive them.

        That is an extremely broad statement which I can't accept just like that, you're going to have to back it up with sth.

        Also, what both sides? It's kinda obvious in the US but you now bring specifically European arguments and the European political landscape has more than two sides.

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          both sides are completely blind to the issues that drive them.

          That is an extremely broad statement which I can't accept just like that, you're going to have to back it up with sth.

          Also, what both sides? It's kinda obvious in the US but you now bring specifically European arguments and the European political landscape has more than two sides.

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          In most places with declining democracy all of the major parties are neoliberals pretending to be either conservatives or liberal left.

          When conservatives vote for right promising them to bring back the jobs they are deceived the same way as liberals voting for centrists promising wealth for everyone who tries. Neither delivers on their promise so which side is really achieving anything? Maybe both are beating a drum to a war that benefits only the wealthy?

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