Why I recommend against Brave.

[ragas@lemmy.ml]

You do know that Firefox is essentially Netscape rebooted, right?

Also I don't really know what you are trying to say here. Netscape was definitely a better option than Internet Explorer.

[wildly_utilize@infosec.pub]

Orion. It can use Firefox, and chrome extensions

[ulrich@feddit.org]

Believing that same-sex marriage shouldn't be a government-supported institution isn't the same as believing LGBT people are "invalid" or "wrong" or whatever.

How is it not?

we should replace it with a series of contracts that grant certain legal privileges

I mean, legally, that's what marriage is.

you may want to join finances w/ someone, but not give them hospital visitation rights

You don't have to do either of those things just because you're married. Marriage just gives you the option.

For example, they could partner w/ someone like Axate

And what would they bring to this partnership?

And if that applies to you, you should be very careful about the tools you use.

You should be. But companies also should not be creating tools that propose to give you those protections when they're not smart enough to. Just leave it to the professionals.

I wouldn't be surprised if GabeN's personal politics were quite conservative

As long as he keeps his mouth shut about them and doesn't financially support them, he's doing worlds better than Mr. Eich.

[sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works]

So it’s ok to buy a Tesla nowadays in your opinion? Genuinely curious.

Yes, if it's the vehicle that fits your needs the best. Elon doesn't need your money, and with Tesla getting roasted in the media, you can probably pick up a good deal.

That said, I wouldn't buy a Tesla for other reasons, such as:

• poor manufacturing quality
• poor reliability (the Model 3 is the "best" and it's just average)
• poor repairability

I do boycott certain products though, first among them is Wal-Mart, but that's because I find Wal-Mart to be anti-competitive (drives smaller stores out of business) and they contribute to poor working conditions either directly (i.e. their own products) or indirectly (i.e. forcing suppliers to cut costs). I've been boycotting them for ~20 years, and honestly haven't bothered checking if they've improved. I also try to avoid buying from Amazon for similar reasons.

Maybe Tesla is similar to those, idk. I personally don't buy Musk's products because I find them lacking, and I haven't needed any more reasons to avoid his products than that.

I literally don't care about the political views of the CEO/owner of a company. I dislike Chik-Fil-A's founder, for example, but I like the food there and the workers seem to be treated well, so I shop there. I especially like that they're closed on Sundays, which guarantees workers get at least one day off. Whether some idiot gets rich from a fraction of the money I spend on a certain product doesn't bother me, I mostly care that the business is run well and the product is good.

[whyjiffie@sh.itjust.works]

privacytools is not longer reputable. privacy guides started from it a few years ago for a reason.

[noxypaws@pawb.social]

Prop 8 was not merely proposed, it was approved by voters and actually banned same-sex marriage for several years before it was ruled unconstitutional.

Brendan Eich contributed to the actual banning of same-sex marriage in California for several years.

[sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works]

Believing that same-sex marriage shouldn’t be a government-supported institution isn’t the same as believing LGBT people are “invalid” or “wrong” or whatever.

How is it not?

It seems incredibly obvious to me. For example, here are some things I believe:

• gambling is bad - yet I support legalization of gambling; why? Personal freedom comes first.
• prostitution is bad - yet I support legalization of prostitution; why? Sex work will happen, so it's better for it to be properly regulated than happen on the black market
• drug use is bad - yet I support legalization of recreational drugs; why? Illegal drugs laced w/ fentanyl are a big problem, and most drug users would be better off w/ a regulated service.

Personal beliefs about what government policy should be can be very different than personal beliefs about what is "good" and "bad."

To be clear, I support same-sex marriage because it's on the table and my preferred alternative has almost no shot of being considered. So I support it as a harm-reduction policy, not because I actually believe the government should actually regulate marriage.

I mean, legally, that’s what marriage is.

Marriage is a basket of contracts (power of attorney, joint custody, financial obligations, etc), and it's limited to two people, which is odd. The original intent seems to be to encourage procreation, but it's hardly enforced at all, nor is that particularly important in most countries (except maybe Japan).

We should treat marriage similarly to corporations. If you want to call your civil partnership "marriage," more power to you. If you want to call it being BF/GF, life partners, or whatever else, more power to you. The government should only care that you meet the requirements for whatever the benefit is.

You don’t have to do either of those things just because you’re married. Marriage just gives you the option.

In many (most?) states, it is enforced unless you specifically opt-out (e.g. a pre-nup). Laws certainly vary by state, but generally speaking, if you're legally married, anything you earn in the marriage is considered joint assets, even if you keep them in separate accounts. In some areas, things you bring into the marriage are also jointly owned, unless they are never interacted with.

That's why divorces are so messy, the couple could have agreed to keep things separate at the start, but without any evidence of that, it's up to the courts to decide what's fair. And pretty frequently, they'll lean on the side of 50/50 for all assets, regardless of when it was acquired or what the understanding was.

And what would they bring to this partnership?

Integration into the browser product, users, and marketing.

I've been wanting Firefox to do something like this so get more visibility w/ online services. I'd love to be able to load up an account balance and click "view article" and the website owner sucks a few pennies from that balance or whatever. But my only options are:

• find a workaround w/ my ad-blocker - reader mode, archive, etc
• make yet another account and maybe pay for a monthly subscription (why do that when I only want the one article?)
• not read the article

Axate provides more than that, but so few online services work w/ it. A browser could bring them a ton of visibility.

But companies also should not be creating tools that propose to give you those protections when they’re not smart enough to. Just leave it to the professionals.

Agreed. But like I said, users request features, bugs happen, etc. At the end of the day, the responsibility is on the user to pick the right product for their needs. Brave isn't that product for at-risk individuals until it has been vetted by actual security experts.

As long as he keeps his mouth shut about them and doesn’t financially support them, he’s doing worlds better than Mr. Eich.

Eich did the first half of that, his only "sin" was that someone found out about his donation. That's it. My understanding is that nobody was aware of it until someone dug into the donation records.

[cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml]

I remember they saying the were too swamped to take on an Android version after Mull dev stopped, which is not the same as stopping. Mull actually stopped development, LibreWolf didn't - they should not be mentioned in the same sentence like that.

[triflingtoad@sh.itjust.works]

[ulrich@feddit.org]

I linked the thread above.

[swelter_spark@reddthat.com]

That thread is several months old, and is specifically about integrating Arkenfox settings changes. I wouldn't say Librewolf has ceased development based on the fact that their default settings differ from Arkenfox. Their Codeberg site shows ongoing work.

[ulrich@feddit.org]

gambling is bad - yet I support legalization

Got it, so being gay isn't "wrong" or "invalid", it's just "bad"?

it is enforced unless you specifically opt-out (e.g. a pre-nup)

Yes, that's what I was referring to. You might call it a "contract".

Integration into the browser product, users, and marketing.

They don't need Brave for that. They need the website owners. If you're talking about injecting Axate ads where Google and other ads already are, then we're back to square 1 where you're ripping off content creators from their revenue for their content.

I'd love to be able to load up an account balance and click "view article" and the website owner sucks a few pennies from that balance or whatever.

The problem with doing that with fiat is that there are transfer fees. You'd essential be paying a $3 to transfer 5 cents. That's why everyone uses crypto for this.

But like I said, users request features

Users can request features all day, developers are the ones who have to implement them.

bugs happen

It's a completely unnecessary bug from someone trying to replace a perfectly safe and secure tool with their own and build value for themselves. This isn't just any bug. Like I said, people's lives can hang in the balance in a very real way. They need to get it right or just stay the fuck away.

the responsibility is on the user to pick the right product for their needs

Bullshit. Both are responsible.

Brave isn't that product for at-risk individuals until it has been vetted by actual security experts.

Then they shouldn't have launched it.

Eich did the first half of that

Not good enough.

[ulrich@feddit.org]

That thread is several months old

And? You have new evidence that things have improved?

and is specifically about integrating Arkenfox settings changes

Why does that matter?

[sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works]

Got it, so being gay isn’t “wrong” or “invalid”, it’s just “bad”?

I didn't say that.

My point here is that personal views can differ from political policy views.

Yes, that’s what I was referring to. You might call it a “contract”.

The issue is that it's opt-out. Instead of that, people should opt-in only to the parts they want.

If you’re talking about injecting Axate ads where Google and other ads already are

No, I'm talking about creating a protocol where browser clients can inform website owners that the customer is using this separate method of payment. It could happen separate from the browser (e.g. as an extension), but the browser gives it a lot more visibility.

The UX here would be pretty simple: if the user has enabled this feature, websites would prompt users for payment or to show ads.

Browsers win because they get a revenue stream, Axate wins by having more customers, and websites win because they're getting paid instead of customers blocking ads.

The problem with doing that with fiat is that there are transfer fees. You’d essential be paying a $3 to transfer 5 cents. That’s why everyone uses crypto for this.

That's why you batch up transfers. General flow:

1. users load up a balance (say, $20)
2. service (e.g. Axate) tracks which payments have been made and bulk pays website owners monthly or whatever

Boom, total number of transfers are pretty low, no need for cryptocurrencies.

Both are responsible.

Sure, but the browser vendor has very little at stake, whereas the user has everything at stake. At the end of the day, it's on the user.

Not good enough.

You're welcome to your opinion. I personally don't have an issue with how people spend their money, I only have an issue with how they treat their employees and choices they make about their product.

[ulrich@feddit.org]

My point here is that personal views can differ from political policy views.

That makes absolutely no sense. You would advocate for and even donate to political reform for something you don't personally believe in?

At the end of the day, it's on the user.

No, it isn't.

I personally don't have an issue with how people spend their money

Nothing says more about who a person is than their political donations.

[eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

So the CEO of the company funding Prop 8 to overturn gay marriage is nothing? Stealing from the creators it claimed to be funding? Being a right wing hotspot is cool with you?

Good to know that's where you stand.

[eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Every time someone uses Brave, I know I can ignore their opinion. They're either a useful moron who is too dumb to look around them, or they support every single one of these things.

It's no wonder why 4chan's /g/ loves Brave.

[sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works]

You would advocate for and even donate to political reform for something you don’t personally believe in?

Yes. I believe in personal freedom, so I'll support the freedom to do things that I believe are harmful like drug use, gambling, or prostitution. You doing those things doesn't impact me or anyone else so it should 100% be your right to do it. In short, I believe principles should carry the day.

I may not agree with you doing something I believe to be bad, but I'll defend your right to do it.

In the same vein, I believe governments should be as small as possible, and no smaller. The role of government is to protect me from you, and vice versa. It's not to ensure I'm making good choices, in fact it shouldn't be in the business of deciding what's "good" or "bad," it should merely enforce laws that protect people from eachother.

Does the government deciding which marriages are valid protect me from you? Not really, all it does is determine who can take advantage of certain benefits. That sounds exclusionary with no particular purpose, so the government shouldn't decide that.

So I really can't speak to why Eich donated to the prop 8 fund (or whatever it was). Was it because he hates gay people? Or because he thinks same sex marriage goes counter to the reason marriage exists as a government institution? Or something else? I don't know, nor do I really care, provided it doesn't get in the way of doing his job.

[cannedtuna@lemmy.world]

Corrected the mistake, thanks.

[australiansimon@lemmy.world]

I'm waiting on Ladybird to come out next year into alpha