'For too long, Apple has operated a walled garden around its products': The EU forces Apple to open its closed system to third parties
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You say that until Google realises that there is no other viable alternative and so they can do the same thing since it’s not like there is another option.
Not entirely. I'm fairly sure that, if google decides to lock down pixel devices, the graphene team would evaluate other devices that are more open. The reason they recommend pixels is because they are open, not because they are big google fans. Graphene DOES run on other devices aswell, it's just not officially tested or supported. And there are other devices with unlockable bootloaders, most noteably older oneplus devices and fairphones.
You answer is basically a big “go fuck yourself” to everyone who bought an iphone before they knew about the things Apple did to keep users looked in
No, my answer is a big "go fuck yourself" to everyone who voluntarily decides to stick with apple devices despite knowing of their practices. Let's be honest for just one second: Barely any consumer is so tied into an operating system that it would prevent them from switching. What do most people do with their phones? Listen to music, have a messenger, maybe check emails, browsing - that's it. And you can do that on any other phone. The amount of people that are apple power users that use applications that only exist in the apple ecosystem is abysmal and largely irrelevant in this discussion.
Same goes for the acquiring root access on an android phone. People are not born with knowledge.
True. Neither was I. But in 2025, we have the internet and you can read up on almost anything imagineable. If I wanted to learn about astrophysics, I could find plenty of videos or resources about it. If I want to learn about japanese history during the sengoku period, there are a lot of resources about that. And if I want to learn how to unlock the bootloader of a phone and install a custom rom, not surprisingly, there are resources for that.
This "People are not born with knowledge" argument is so stupid - nobody is born with it, the problem is just that most people are too lazy to learn about their possibilites to break free from oppressing corporate conglomerates. And THAT'S something I have an issue with.
Graphene works on the OnePlus, I'm not a developer so I haven't tried anything in changing the Os. And pixels problem is with the obsession with Gemini AI and the exonys chip they are using that drains the battery
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Honestly, both here and on Reddit I see more of that blind faith for Google and Microsoft. It’s so weird that the open-source community has a slice of people insisting their giant company is somehow virtuous because it’s slightly less fashionable. Even weirder when they write paragraph’s psychoanalyzing imaginary people.
They think they found someone it is ok to hate, and they are all in. Probably voted for trump.
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I was so hyped when the EU pressured Apple into allowing external software on Apple devices.
Apple killed that hype making the change EU only, problem is I’m encapsulated in the walled garden with an iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Air Tags, HomePods.
Thinking of getting a second phone Android based to partially-escape the garden but if I ditch my iPhone all hell will break loose network wise.
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ditch the homepod and don't replace it with any other spyware, and replace the rest as needed.
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Yay! Please stick with this, EU! I hope this spreads globally.
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yeah, and if you want something that doesn't spy on you your only real option is home assistant.
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And the air pods was often referenced to look like condoms, on reddit
Ice cream cones, no?
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With android you can change the os if your into it, developer at least.
Yeah I was looking into Linux based mobile OS’s and I’ve come to the consensus that hardware selection is very limited.
I was very interested in GrapheneOS but unfortunately it’s for Pixel phones only.
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ditch the homepod and don't replace it with any other spyware, and replace the rest as needed.
ditch the homepod and don't replace it with any other spyware
Family has gotten use to the HomePod being around, makes simple things like settings timers for cooking or other related task a bit easier.
And yeah, I’m aware it’s spyware. I wanted a “smart-home” and essentially landed on Apple products.
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yeah, and if you want something that doesn't spy on you your only real option is home assistant.
Home assistant is great and apart from voice recognition, its infinitely more powerful than any corporate home automation product. Voice is tough to do locally and on low powered hardware, but its getting there.
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I have no doubt the EU won't have much mercy for American corporations going* forward.
My phone REALLY wants me to type gong. Gong gong gong gong gong.
When apple announced messaging would be cross platform nobody else adopted it. Any idea why?
Oh yeah one reason:
Apple won’t be forced to open up iMessage by EU (2024) -
I was so hyped when the EU pressured Apple into allowing external software on Apple devices.
Apple killed that hype making the change EU only, problem is I’m encapsulated in the walled garden with an iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Air Tags, HomePods.
Thinking of getting a second phone Android based to partially-escape the garden but if I ditch my iPhone all hell will break loose network wise.
The funny thing is I would have joined the ecosystem this year if that change made it out of eu
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When apple announced messaging would be cross platform nobody else adopted it. Any idea why?
Oh yeah one reason:
Apple won’t be forced to open up iMessage by EU (2024) -
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I honestly don’t get it. It’s their product. Why are entire countries getting involved in how they make their own devices?
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With android you can change the os if your into it, developer at least.
Some phones only. Or at least that is how it used to be when I had one not too long ago. The boot loader had the be unlocked and some apps like banks or Google pay refused to work at the time (or maybe it was if you had root enabled).
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Yeah I was looking into Linux based mobile OS’s and I’ve come to the consensus that hardware selection is very limited.
I was very interested in GrapheneOS but unfortunately it’s for Pixel phones only.
dint notice that, i though OP12r could do it too.
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Home assistant is great and apart from voice recognition, its infinitely more powerful than any corporate home automation product. Voice is tough to do locally and on low powered hardware, but its getting there.
they have something that claims to be able to do it, I haven't personally verified it, but generic on device voice recognition has gotten pretty decent.
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Graphene works on the OnePlus, I'm not a developer so I haven't tried anything in changing the Os. And pixels problem is with the obsession with Gemini AI and the exonys chip they are using that drains the battery
It's not officially tested anymore tho - they've recently updated their supported devices section. Stuff like the fairphone, which was supported once, also are no longer in the list.
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I honestly don’t get it. It’s their product. Why are entire countries getting involved in how they make their own devices?
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It is in the public interest to regulate companies. This is the best tool we have to promote a healthy market with fair competition, and to ensure companies make safe products that aligns with the public interest.
Perhaps instead of watering down one company, maybe all the others should be inspired to make better quality products that can compete with them.
Because- and this is only my opinion, allowing governments to control how a company manages their IP is a slippery slope to go down.
