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For the record, and I know I'm not the first to say it, this woman committed NO crime.

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  • oderus@lemmy.worldO [email protected]

    Your guns don't compare to the guns the government use. Nor do you have the numbers to resist even if equally armed. If the 1/3 of voters that didn't vote, actually voted for for Harris, you wouldn't be in this mess but there you are.

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    Yeah well, ask the Afghans or Vietnamese. Turns out you don't need to have the same fire power to drag your opponent through the mud.

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      Yeah well, ask the Afghans or Vietnamese. Turns out you don't need to have the same fire power to drag your opponent through the mud.

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      The Vietnamese had some of the greatest strategic minds in their history leading the fight against the Americans.

      So far, it doesn't seem like there's a single leader for a resistance in the U.S., and certainly none as skilled in tactics.

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      • oderus@lemmy.worldO [email protected]

        Your guns don't compare to the guns the government use. Nor do you have the numbers to resist even if equally armed. If the 1/3 of voters that didn't vote, actually voted for for Harris, you wouldn't be in this mess but there you are.

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        and if we had a time machine we could fix all this. STFU. GUNS.

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          For the record, and I know I'm not the first to say it, this woman committed NO crime. She didn't overstay a visa, she didn't protest illegally. She wrote something the administration didn't like.

          For that, she was arrested by 8 masked officers in the middle of the street, in broad daylight. She was thrown in the back on an unmarked SUV. She's received no legal representation. No trial. Not even charges, because again, she committed no crime.

          Americans, you realize you're watching the death of your rights and the rule of law, right? You have no illusions about the fact that you are defenseless? There is no longer any guardrail between you and an El Salvadoran prison camp. In something that reminds me very much of Stalin, an accusation is now a conviction.

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          Also, this is just the rehearsal until they go for political opponents with American citizenship.

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          • tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.comT [email protected]

            What do you mean about numbers? The state and it's guards are always massively outnumbered by the people, it's just a question of organization.

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            But how many people are willing to risk their life without immediate danger to themselves (yet)?

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              Defenseless is a good word, it seems like we're all just waiting for a savior to show up and rescue us. It doesn't help that a large amount of Americans see protest as pointless right now. What it feels like is the bystander effect on a national level.

              The worst part is how many people either support or just brush it off.

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              There have been weekly protests of this shit across the country since the asshole was elected. It’s not helping. And even the “opposition party” is capitulating to the bullshit. What else are we supposed to do?

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                For the record, and I know I'm not the first to say it, this woman committed NO crime. She didn't overstay a visa, she didn't protest illegally. She wrote something the administration didn't like.

                For that, she was arrested by 8 masked officers in the middle of the street, in broad daylight. She was thrown in the back on an unmarked SUV. She's received no legal representation. No trial. Not even charges, because again, she committed no crime.

                Americans, you realize you're watching the death of your rights and the rule of law, right? You have no illusions about the fact that you are defenseless? There is no longer any guardrail between you and an El Salvadoran prison camp. In something that reminds me very much of Stalin, an accusation is now a conviction.

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                What the fuck do we do? I’m in a hyperliberal city in one of the few blue states left. We are relatively safe for now. I make a comfortable amount of money that I use to support my wife and friends who sometimes may not have necessities. I cannot risk my job by taking every day off to protest. Protests also seem meaningless to go to for me in my city because they’re happening in a safer city.

                I am donating to the ACLU every month, but idk what else we can be doing. What can we be doing?

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                • darkfuture@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                  You have no illusions about the fact that you are defenseless?

                  We have guns. Lots of guns.

                  Everyone needs to arm themselves and train.

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                  I suspect your government would love it if you started shooting. They'd declare martial law. Goodbye elections, hello police state.

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                    What the fuck do we do? I’m in a hyperliberal city in one of the few blue states left. We are relatively safe for now. I make a comfortable amount of money that I use to support my wife and friends who sometimes may not have necessities. I cannot risk my job by taking every day off to protest. Protests also seem meaningless to go to for me in my city because they’re happening in a safer city.

                    I am donating to the ACLU every month, but idk what else we can be doing. What can we be doing?

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                    Organize armed protests. Connect in your neighborhood, so if this shit goes down, and it will start going down in your neighborhood soon enough, people can show up, free the victim and bog down the attackers.

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                      Americans see protest as pointless right now.

                      Americans have seen a generation of peaceful protests that were crushed and villified. Anti-WTO, Anti-Iraq War, Occupy Wall Street, George Floyd, etc; all failed to achieve any of their stated goals.

                      And now that the fascists have taken control, peaceful protest is even less effective. For peaceful protest to succeed your opponent must have empathy, and fascists have none.

                      The last protest movement that accomplished something substantial was the civil rights movement. It was not peaceful, it was militant. I think we need a modern Black Panther Party.

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                      Exactly, you need armed protest.

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                      • mrsdoyle@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

                        I suspect your government would love it if you started shooting. They'd declare martial law. Goodbye elections, hello police state.

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                        They will do this either way.

                        There is no bargaining with these people. They will not not escalate from their side. By not escalating from your side you only encourage their escalation as they face no repercussions.

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                          The Vietnamese had some of the greatest strategic minds in their history leading the fight against the Americans.

                          So far, it doesn't seem like there's a single leader for a resistance in the U.S., and certainly none as skilled in tactics.

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                          Where do you expect the resistance leaders to come from?

                          From the state resistance leadership school, with the public resistance leadership grant? If you dont form a resistance you cannot create resistance leaders

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                            They will do this either way.

                            There is no bargaining with these people. They will not not escalate from their side. By not escalating from your side you only encourage their escalation as they face no repercussions.

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                            That's true actually - they are escalating pretty hard already.

                            As a long-term peacenik though, I hate the thought of gun battles on the streets. I wish you all the very best. I first visited the US in 1976 and have toured around a lot since then. My one single bad experience was Homeland Security when transiting through LAX. We're tourists not terrorists, jeez cool your jets! I can't imagine how bad ICE is.

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                              What the fuck do we do? I’m in a hyperliberal city in one of the few blue states left. We are relatively safe for now. I make a comfortable amount of money that I use to support my wife and friends who sometimes may not have necessities. I cannot risk my job by taking every day off to protest. Protests also seem meaningless to go to for me in my city because they’re happening in a safer city.

                              I am donating to the ACLU every month, but idk what else we can be doing. What can we be doing?

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                              Time for Canada to annex Pacific Coast states(at least) then we can live in a functioning democracy again.

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                              • darkfuture@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                You have no illusions about the fact that you are defenseless?

                                We have guns. Lots of guns.

                                Everyone needs to arm themselves and train.

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                                I had a decent amount I got back from taxes that I intentionally spent. I'm mentally ill. I'm off my meds because I cant risk withdrawl from going back on them only to have RFK take them away again. I'll lose my job. It doesnt pay enough for me to get by anyway. If I kept that money, I know I would have bought that gun. And I would have used it on myself.

                                I'm still not sure I did the right thing spending myself into this hole to keep a gun away. I know using it on my oppressors wouldnt likely succeed. I'm more likely to use it on myself.

                                I still dont know if it was the right thing to do to not buy the gun.

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                                  Time for Canada to annex Pacific Coast states(at least) then we can live in a functioning democracy again.

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                                  Cascadia when?

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                                    Yeah well, ask the Afghans or Vietnamese. Turns out you don't need to have the same fire power to drag your opponent through the mud.

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                                    The Afghans and Vietnamese had nothing to lose. Americans, no matter how much they complain online, have everything to lose.

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