Around the World, Many People Are Leaving Their Childhood Religions.
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I can’t find any sources for this now, but a while back I read an article that basically said in the 1500s (roughly) people were starting to turn against the rich holding the bulk of the wealth. So the rich met up with some priests over a tankard of mead and came up with the idea that the church should say the rich deserved their wealth.
Well that might explain christianity but what about other religions like Hindu, buddhism etc.
The idea of religion is different there and it's more of a way of life rather than believing in a supreme god.
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Religion has nothing to do with God, even if you believed God exists, then since God is omnipresent you can have a relationship with God from anywhere. Why would you need to gather with a group of people and have middle men priest who claim to speak on behalf of God. Religions are about power, control, elitism and us vs them tribalism. If there was a god, he'd be disgusted by the barbaric things done by religious people in his name.
Religion is not necessarily the same as religious institutions. Christianity is quite an outlier with its heavy centralization in the case of Catholicism, but there is many denominations of Christianity that are not adhering to a centralized institution.
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You only see two types of people who believe in religon:
1- Bad people who abuse it for evil to benefit in life: Such political indoctrination and control, pedo cults, Israel zionists, ISIS Islamsits ..etc.
2- Oppressed and poor people who use it as a coping and hope mechanim for the afterlife: This applies globally across all religons and continents from South America to East Asia.
Mixing bigotry against religious people with classism and a sprinkle of racism does not make it rational. There is plenty of religious people who are neither oppressed or poor, nor do they use their religion for oppression of other people.
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That is weird to me because Jesus repeatedly condemned the rich. He even violently kicked them out of temples by whipping them and flipping tables. Jesus even said the wealthy will never enter into heaven. Jesus was essentially a proto-communist
Jesus also didn't proclaim himself to be the literal son of God, nor a part of God. That was invented by the churches some 300 years later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
Both Judaism and Christianity had their scriptures altered over time, serving political goals of the scholar's class. This is why Islam puts such a strong focus preserving the Quran exactly as it was revealed.
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Greetings fellow lemming I’m new here and hope we can have a productive discussion.
Please allow me to elucidate my perspective on this question: are all religions intolerant?
I say yes, let me explain.
Many have told me about “their god” and I take their word for it. I believe everything everyone has told me about “their god”. Powerful, all knowing, usually vindictive, often horny for human girls, etc.
Resultantly I believe in all of “their gods”.
And I drew a conclusion about that guy.
I think “god” is a piece of shit unworthy of praise and we should seek to destroy and erase it. Those who worship it are dangerous and not to be trusted. At best they need psychiatric care, likely many of them should be incarcerated. The link between “piety” and “skeletons in the closet” is strong.
I hate god and have no respect for god-fearing people and no tolerance for their “beliefs”
Which supernatural make-believe system (read: religion ) is tolerant of my supernatural make-believe system?
Please don’t mistake my anger at religions as anger at you.
Cheers mate
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Mixing bigotry against religious people with classism and a sprinkle of racism does not make it rational. There is plenty of religious people who are neither oppressed or poor, nor do they use their religion for oppression of other people.
I didn't downvote neither upvote your comment because I kind of agree with you.
IMO, I feel those people are on auto-pilot faith which they inherted from their parents, but also because it has a positive presence in their lives. However, unlike people who endure jail or injustice, or oppression or poverty who need faith to survive life. just my personal view point
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Jesus also didn't proclaim himself to be the literal son of God, nor a part of God. That was invented by the churches some 300 years later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
Both Judaism and Christianity had their scriptures altered over time, serving political goals of the scholar's class. This is why Islam puts such a strong focus preserving the Quran exactly as it was revealed.
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Greetings fellow lemming I’m new here and hope we can have a productive discussion.
Please allow me to elucidate my perspective on this question: are all religions intolerant?
I say yes, let me explain.
Many have told me about “their god” and I take their word for it. I believe everything everyone has told me about “their god”. Powerful, all knowing, usually vindictive, often horny for human girls, etc.
Resultantly I believe in all of “their gods”.
And I drew a conclusion about that guy.
I think “god” is a piece of shit unworthy of praise and we should seek to destroy and erase it. Those who worship it are dangerous and not to be trusted. At best they need psychiatric care, likely many of them should be incarcerated. The link between “piety” and “skeletons in the closet” is strong.
I hate god and have no respect for god-fearing people and no tolerance for their “beliefs”
Which supernatural make-believe system (read: religion ) is tolerant of my supernatural make-believe system?
Please don’t mistake my anger at religions as anger at you.
Cheers mate
Many have told me about “their god” and I take their word for it.
Resultantly I believe in all of “their gods”.
I'm following so far
And I drew a conclusion about that guy.
What do you mean "that guy". I thought we just established these are multiple guys?
I think “god” is a piece of shit unworthy of praise and we should seek to destroy and erase it.
What do you mean "it"? Don't you mean "them"?
I hate god and have no respect for god-fearing people and no tolerance for their “beliefs”
Why are you talking about a singular God here? It reads like you're blaming Yahweh for Zeus' sexual behaviour and you're blaming Hanuman for the Great Flood.
These aren't the same character. Each "God" claim needs to be evaluated separately.
For example why do you hate Persephene so much? Why is she a piece of shit. You claim to believe in her right Your reasons shouldn't include examples from the Bible.
Which supernatural make-believe system (read: religion ) is tolerant of my supernatural make-believe system?
You might find company among the Satanic Temple or other Satanists.
You said "Buddhism" was ruled out but you didn't actually clarify so until you present your reasoning I'd say Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism and Jainism all lacking God's are partially compatible.
I mean to be fair there's not going to be a great answer because this isn't a real question but a gotcha. And I say that as an atheist.
You obviously don't actually believe in all the gods, your earlier language shows you haven't thought enough about what that means and force them all into the same one God.
The Hittites believed in "all the gods" and absorbed every new God of neighbors they conquered. But they truly believed in these gods, not as a gotcha question but they really believed in the power of these entities.
Regardless of personal moral views on their behavior, outwardly taunting that being seems silly in light of genuine faith.
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Money, threats of violence, grandma could be related to them, grandma could be a pedo herself... Just to name a few.
Sorry i mean WILLINGLY pay.
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Can you please expound upon that point, re: Jesus didn’t proclaim himself to be the literal son of God. Never heard that before.
Sure. So in Islam we believe that God and the creation are seperate. All Prophets (peace be upon them) are humans, who have been given prophethood for their virtuous character. Any powers outside the realm of human capacities were granted by God to aid their mission, but it wasn't their inherent powers.
For a longer read on this from an Islamic perspective i found this article: https://www.reviewofreligions.org/27744/jesus-son-of-god-historical-context-long-read/
As for the development of the Christian idea that Jesus would be the son of God. This is a Greek/Roman idea that was pushed to dominance around the fourth century. Notable is the Council of Nicae, where it was agreed that the concept of Trinity (with Jesus as son of God and some abstract holy spirit) should be the used. As for the reason why, it is likely that the Trinity was chosen to make Christianity more palatable to Polytheists, despite the rejection of polytheism and embrace of monotheism being fundamental to the Abrahamic religions. This is also why the concept is strongly rejected by Jews and Muslims. However also Nontrinitarian Christians exist to this day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea#Outcomes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarian#History -
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Monotheism was a mistake! The last save point was hermeticism, it's going to take us ages to get to the enlightenment again.
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Many have told me about “their god” and I take their word for it.
Resultantly I believe in all of “their gods”.
I'm following so far
And I drew a conclusion about that guy.
What do you mean "that guy". I thought we just established these are multiple guys?
I think “god” is a piece of shit unworthy of praise and we should seek to destroy and erase it.
What do you mean "it"? Don't you mean "them"?
I hate god and have no respect for god-fearing people and no tolerance for their “beliefs”
Why are you talking about a singular God here? It reads like you're blaming Yahweh for Zeus' sexual behaviour and you're blaming Hanuman for the Great Flood.
These aren't the same character. Each "God" claim needs to be evaluated separately.
For example why do you hate Persephene so much? Why is she a piece of shit. You claim to believe in her right Your reasons shouldn't include examples from the Bible.
Which supernatural make-believe system (read: religion ) is tolerant of my supernatural make-believe system?
You might find company among the Satanic Temple or other Satanists.
You said "Buddhism" was ruled out but you didn't actually clarify so until you present your reasoning I'd say Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism and Jainism all lacking God's are partially compatible.
I mean to be fair there's not going to be a great answer because this isn't a real question but a gotcha. And I say that as an atheist.
You obviously don't actually believe in all the gods, your earlier language shows you haven't thought enough about what that means and force them all into the same one God.
The Hittites believed in "all the gods" and absorbed every new God of neighbors they conquered. But they truly believed in these gods, not as a gotcha question but they really believed in the power of these entities.
Regardless of personal moral views on their behavior, outwardly taunting that being seems silly in light of genuine faith.
Thank you for taking the time to read and reply in a thoughtful way.
Regardless of personal moral views on their behavior, outwardly taunting that being seems silly in light of genuine faith.
But taunting others “genuine faith” is my faith. I genuinely believe all those people are full of baloney.
Some god made me this way I guess.
But I don’t see any proof of supernatural stuff, just a lot of people tell me crazy stuff they believe.
I believe them when they tell me the my beloved crazy hateful stuff they rationalize in their religion.
I believe them when they say they believe their god says my daughter has to have her rapists baby.
I believe them when they say they believe my rainbow family is hated by their god.
I believe them when they say they believe a geriatric felon conman was sent to save us.
I believe it doesn’t align with any of the horse hockey they spit about love and kindness but I believe what they say.
And I live in America which as of right now I have the right to free expression of my religion.
And my religion is anti theism. If god is up there he better lock his stuff up cause I’m breaking in and taking it.
No gods. No kings. No false power structures.
Is there room at your next d&d game for someone like me?
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Sure. So in Islam we believe that God and the creation are seperate. All Prophets (peace be upon them) are humans, who have been given prophethood for their virtuous character. Any powers outside the realm of human capacities were granted by God to aid their mission, but it wasn't their inherent powers.
For a longer read on this from an Islamic perspective i found this article: https://www.reviewofreligions.org/27744/jesus-son-of-god-historical-context-long-read/
As for the development of the Christian idea that Jesus would be the son of God. This is a Greek/Roman idea that was pushed to dominance around the fourth century. Notable is the Council of Nicae, where it was agreed that the concept of Trinity (with Jesus as son of God and some abstract holy spirit) should be the used. As for the reason why, it is likely that the Trinity was chosen to make Christianity more palatable to Polytheists, despite the rejection of polytheism and embrace of monotheism being fundamental to the Abrahamic religions. This is also why the concept is strongly rejected by Jews and Muslims. However also Nontrinitarian Christians exist to this day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea#Outcomes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarian#History -
Monotheism was a mistake! The last save point was hermeticism, it's going to take us ages to get to the enlightenment again.
Excuse me, is hermeticism not a monotheistic philosophy?
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Not enough people leaving the very worst religion of all.
I would argue that the antireligious sentiments of "the left" and some liberals is a part of their civil religion.
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Excuse me, is hermeticism not a monotheistic philosophy?
Nope, technically it's henotheistic. Hermeticism doesn't deny the existence of others gods, but does believe in one supreme God.
https://arnemancy.com/articles/hermeticism/monotheism-in-hermetism/
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Jedi religion rose dramatically from 1900 to today.
Ugh. They're probably worse than a lot of them.
Abducting extremely young children into their cult. Teaching them to suppress their emotions, telling them to cut all families ties.
Someone ought to order their temples shut down to bring peace and stability to the
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Nope, technically it's henotheistic. Hermeticism doesn't deny the existence of others gods, but does believe in one supreme God.
https://arnemancy.com/articles/hermeticism/monotheism-in-hermetism/
Well, during the enlightenment it existed in a Christian context. I do not see how one can disavow monotheism and accept hermericism, since other gods in it are hardly important to say the least.
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