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Proprietary software is also notoriously low-quality and can disappear at any time
This is just a false equivalency. Do both of those things happen in both cases? Sure. Does it happen WAY more often with FOSS? Also yes. Just go through F-Droid or Flathub and look at the long list of apps that haven't been updated in years.
Paid software is typically not something someone does in their free time to fill a resume for a real job. It's something they are able to dedicate real time to because it pays their bills and they have obligations to their paying users. They can also hire other people who also gets their bills paid and have similar obligations.
Neither one is inherently better.
When you look at any app store, you'll find that the many apps that are infested with ads, spyware, malware, and dark patterns are pretty much always proprietary. Conversely, any FOSS app that tries to introduce such garbage would be forked to remove their offending attributes, which makes FOSS apps much higher-quality than proprietary apps in general.
You are using false equivalence by incorrectly implying that proprietary software is commercial while FOSS is not. Both FOSS and proprietary software can be sold and commercialized with various monetization strategies. For example, you are currently using Lemmy, a FOSS social network whose development is funded by donations. Nobody here believes that Reddit is better because it is proprietary adware.
Free and open source software licenses provide users the right to use, modify, and redistribute the software. Proprietary software does not. That difference makes FOSS inherently better for users than proprietary software.
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How is that false equivalency? Comparing fdroid to the play store is about as close as you can get.
Like I said, there is bad FOSS software, but that doesnt make it generally false. People pay for software that doesnt have a good free alternative, they pay for support, and often they will pay to use software that has good marketing because they are simply unaware of the alternatives.
I'm not saying all FOSS software is great, but lots of software does have great FOSS options, for example, Firefox, Blender, and Bevy.
You're not backing your points up with any actual reasoning or examples while also being condescending about it.
I'm so sick of that person. All over the tech community with horrible and downright stupid takes. Just a while ago they were complaining about bloatware installed on android phones, but then fails to see your point about proprietary software also being useless.
They'll block you if you point that out and call it "harassment".
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How is that false equivalency? Comparing fdroid to the play store is about as close as you can get.
The false equivalency is not that the two aren't comparable products, the false equivalency is that they have those problems at similar rates, because they don't.
You're not backing your points up with any actual reasoning or examples
My reasoning is experience. FOSS has this reputation among most people. Only people who are willfully ignorant can't see it. I could give you examples all day but it'd just be cherry-picking and I'm sure you would remain unswayed. Feel free to ignore me, I'm just saying what it is.
I am genuinely curious why you think people pay money for worse software though...
I don't avoid proprietary solutions that do a better job
That was my entire point. The person I was originally replying to seemed to suggest exactly that.
FOSS has this reputation among most people.
Source? Every commenter here disagrees with you, so it seems like your wild claim is not supported by any evidence.
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How is that false equivalency? Comparing fdroid to the play store is about as close as you can get.
The false equivalency is not that the two aren't comparable products, the false equivalency is that they have those problems at similar rates, because they don't.
You're not backing your points up with any actual reasoning or examples
My reasoning is experience. FOSS has this reputation among most people. Only people who are willfully ignorant can't see it. I could give you examples all day but it'd just be cherry-picking and I'm sure you would remain unswayed. Feel free to ignore me, I'm just saying what it is.
I am genuinely curious why you think people pay money for worse software though...
I don't avoid proprietary solutions that do a better job
That was my entire point. The person I was originally replying to seemed to suggest exactly that.
Just get off the tech communities. You really don't know anything, you spam stupid takes all over the place. 2k comments in 3 months. Go do anything else, please.
Earlier you were complaining about bloatware on android phones, with a long list of examples from Samsung. Then you go on and attack the quality of FOSS, which you definitely don't use. But somehow paying for proprietary is better because it's more polished and sustainable? While bloatware is a term? This is why I tagged you as "bad faith actor/unintelligent".
Please delete your account.
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FOSS has this reputation among most people.
Source? Every commenter here disagrees with you, so it seems like your wild claim is not supported by any evidence.
Every commenter here disagrees with you
Oh, well if all 2 of you disagree with me, that must mean that I'm wrong and not that you want to lie about it so that more people will use FOSS.
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Until they revoke your lifetime purchase and put the new updates under a sub..
Happened to me with the Android anti-theft app Cerberus, AND with the PlayOn TV recording service.
We should make a shame/do not trust list.
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I use almost exclusively FOSS and I have monthly/annual contributions set up for various projects.
Those are not purchases. You are not "buying" them. They are donations. "Buying" implies the use requires payment.
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Every commenter here disagrees with you
Oh, well if all 2 of you disagree with me, that must mean that I'm wrong and not that you want to lie about it so that more people will use FOSS.
It's actually 5 people vs. you right now, and anyone can count to confirm it. Calling out the fact that you have produced zero evidence for your wild claims is not "wanting to lie", it's just stating what any observer can see.
You said that your "reasoning is experience", so let this conversation be an experience that challenges your perception of what others think about FOSS.
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When you look at any app store, you'll find that the many apps that are infested with ads, spyware, malware, and dark patterns are pretty much always proprietary. Conversely, any FOSS app that tries to introduce such garbage would be forked to remove their offending attributes, which makes FOSS apps much higher-quality than proprietary apps in general.
You are using false equivalence by incorrectly implying that proprietary software is commercial while FOSS is not. Both FOSS and proprietary software can be sold and commercialized with various monetization strategies. For example, you are currently using Lemmy, a FOSS social network whose development is funded by donations. Nobody here believes that Reddit is better because it is proprietary adware.
Free and open source software licenses provide users the right to use, modify, and redistribute the software. Proprietary software does not. That difference makes FOSS inherently better for users than proprietary software.
When you look at any app store, you'll find that the many apps that are infested with ads, spyware, malware, and dark patterns are pretty much always proprietary
Right, because FOSS software never has any of that...
which makes FOSS much higher-quality than proprietary software in general.
That's not how that works. There's plenty of paid software that doesn't have any of those things.
Both FOSS and proprietary software can be sold and commercialized with various monetization strategies.
You're just arguing pointless semantics now.
Nobody here believes that Reddit is better on the basis that it is proprietary adware instead of FOSS.
You're cherry-picking.
That difference makes FOSS inherently better for users than proprietary software.
No. It absolutely does not. Why do I care if you can "use, modify and redistribute" trash software?
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Just get off the tech communities. You really don't know anything, you spam stupid takes all over the place. 2k comments in 3 months. Go do anything else, please.
Earlier you were complaining about bloatware on android phones, with a long list of examples from Samsung. Then you go on and attack the quality of FOSS, which you definitely don't use. But somehow paying for proprietary is better because it's more polished and sustainable? While bloatware is a term? This is why I tagged you as "bad faith actor/unintelligent".
Please delete your account.
All those personal insults REALLY motivated me to take your advice but I think I'll just block you instead and report you for harrassment.
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It's actually 5 people vs. you right now, and anyone can count to confirm it. Calling out the fact that you have produced zero evidence for your wild claims is not "wanting to lie", it's just stating what any observer can see.
You said that your "reasoning is experience", so let this conversation be an experience that challenges your perception of what others think about FOSS.
It's actually 5 people vs. you right now, and anyone can count to confirm it
It isn't.
you have produced zero evidence
You really gotta quit with the sealioning. I've already explained this several times. I'm not doing it again.
so let this conversation be an experience that challenges your perception of what others think about FOSS.
I'll do that but the cards are still stacked against you.
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It's actually 5 people vs. you right now, and anyone can count to confirm it
It isn't.
you have produced zero evidence
You really gotta quit with the sealioning. I've already explained this several times. I'm not doing it again.
so let this conversation be an experience that challenges your perception of what others think about FOSS.
I'll do that but the cards are still stacked against you.
The 5 people who disagree with you:
- https://lemmy.world/post/27621659/16166832
- https://lemmy.world/post/27621659/16169993
- https://lemmy.world/post/27621659/16178508
- https://lemmy.world/post/27621659/16178552
- Me
And, no, you making baseless assertions while attacking everyone who disagrees with you does not count as evidence.
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The 5 people who disagree with you:
- https://lemmy.world/post/27621659/16166832
- https://lemmy.world/post/27621659/16169993
- https://lemmy.world/post/27621659/16178508
- https://lemmy.world/post/27621659/16178552
- Me
And, no, you making baseless assertions while attacking everyone who disagrees with you does not count as evidence.
I haven't "attacked" anyone. Just stated that they're wilfully ignorant, which is true. However if when you were looking around for all of those comments you were paying attention, you would've seen people throwing out extremely unnecessary and vulgar personal attacks at me.
You keep asking me for evidence, and I keep telling you I don't have any. I'm not writing a fucking college dissertation, it's an internet comment. Since this conversation is going nowhere, and since you continue to sealion me with this nonsense after I've asked you to stop several times, you're going to be blocked as well. Have a nice evening.
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All those personal insults REALLY motivated me to take your advice but I think I'll just block you instead and report you for harrassment.
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Until they revoke your lifetime purchase and put the new updates under a sub..
That shit better not happen to Plex, I'll never buy software again, will pirate the fuck out of it for this reason alone.
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I haven't "attacked" anyone. Just stated that they're wilfully ignorant, which is true. However if when you were looking around for all of those comments you were paying attention, you would've seen people throwing out extremely unnecessary and vulgar personal attacks at me.
You keep asking me for evidence, and I keep telling you I don't have any. I'm not writing a fucking college dissertation, it's an internet comment. Since this conversation is going nowhere, and since you continue to sealion me with this nonsense after I've asked you to stop several times, you're going to be blocked as well. Have a nice evening.
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When you look at any app store, you'll find that the many apps that are infested with ads, spyware, malware, and dark patterns are pretty much always proprietary
Right, because FOSS software never has any of that...
which makes FOSS much higher-quality than proprietary software in general.
That's not how that works. There's plenty of paid software that doesn't have any of those things.
Both FOSS and proprietary software can be sold and commercialized with various monetization strategies.
You're just arguing pointless semantics now.
Nobody here believes that Reddit is better on the basis that it is proprietary adware instead of FOSS.
You're cherry-picking.
That difference makes FOSS inherently better for users than proprietary software.
No. It absolutely does not. Why do I care if you can "use, modify and redistribute" trash software?
FOSS adware and spyware apps are rare because it's trivial to fork it and remove the undesirable elements. Users have every incentive to use the ad-free and spyware-free forks, which eventually causes the superior user-friendly forks to overtake the originals. However, proprietary adware and spyware apps cannot be forked in the same way, preventing users from stripping out the ads and tracking. The ability to use, modify, and redistribute "trash software" allows anyone to transform FOSS with undesirable elements into excellent software by removing such elements, whereas proprietary "trash software" remains trashy.
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I haven't "attacked" anyone. Just stated that they're wilfully ignorant, which is true. However if when you were looking around for all of those comments you were paying attention, you would've seen people throwing out extremely unnecessary and vulgar personal attacks at me.
You keep asking me for evidence, and I keep telling you I don't have any. I'm not writing a fucking college dissertation, it's an internet comment. Since this conversation is going nowhere, and since you continue to sealion me with this nonsense after I've asked you to stop several times, you're going to be blocked as well. Have a nice evening.
You don't know what words mean! You just throw out "sealion", "false equivalency", "bad faith"! Just buzz words!
Get the fuck out of here already!! Absolute child blocking everyone. Please, for everyone's sake, delete your account and get the fuck off Lemmy. Go back to reddit, please
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Discover FOSS software. Just be sure to toss some donations to your favorite projects.
Imma be straight up. Donations are cool but not a lot of people give donations. partly because some are skint (i used to be) but mainly because people just don't know.
i feel like the biggest issue that foss projects face is the fact that they don't ask for donations in a way that the average user knows about. Kde sends a notification around christmas asking for donos. I haven't seen any other foss app do anything similar.
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That shit better not happen to Plex, I'll never buy software again, will pirate the fuck out of it for this reason alone.
That would be punishing yourself compared to switching to Jellyfin, though.
