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Europe has a 'real opportunity' to take in Americans fleeing Trump. Is it ready for a 'brain drain'?

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  • H [email protected]

    The term brain drain refers to losing educated people to another country so there is not a brain being drained from an individual but rather a bunch of brains being drained from a population. Here's a wikipedia page for the curious minds: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_capital_flight

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    The way it's written almost could be interpreted that Britain will be drained of intellect by the increased number of Americans. I'm familiar with the term, but the way this headline is written makes it weird.

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      I wish I had a brain to drain. I don't have any valuable skills, nor a lot of money. Nobody wants to take me. I'm going to be at the mercy of the Nazis.

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        Why would they prefer Europe to Canada?

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        Not as cold.

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          Wonder if they have use for Ms and bS majors in stem, like biotech or cmb

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          Yes. It all boils down to getting a job offer, but those are fields and qualifications with possibilities.

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            People tend to underestimate the need for speaking German in Germany though. Depending on your location and social circle, you might not need much of it day to day. But certain administrative stuff definitely requires a decent understanding (and you really don't want to misunderstand letters from the government).

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            Genau! Having had to very slowly translate documents from the government, consulates, and Deutsche Bahn, I am acutely aware of how much not knowing the language is a hurdle.

            We're working on learning German fast. While I'll be in the Berlin area, so daily life can be mostly in English for a while, we need to integrate and the language is a huge part of that.

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              The way it's written almost could be interpreted that Britain will be drained of intellect by the increased number of Americans. I'm familiar with the term, but the way this headline is written makes it weird.

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              Britain wouldn't be drained, but their intellectual demographic will be diluted, creating more competition for high level research, tech, teaching, etc. positions.

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                There's already a brain drain going in the US Government, as they replace experienced leaders and workers with blind loyalists.

                The silver lining is that they have given their opposition the gift of competence. By firing all their competent, knowledgable people, they have driven them straight into the enemy camp.

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                  There's already a brain drain going in the US Government, as they replace experienced leaders and workers with blind loyalists.

                  The silver lining is that they have given their opposition the gift of competence. By firing all their competent, knowledgable people, they have driven them straight into the enemy camp.

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                  brain leaving

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                  • mitm0@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                    I don't think that's a good idea, you really don't want Americans in your backyard.

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                    I bring a certain militant veganism that makes some NIMBYs uncomfortable

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                      Ah yes, let the filthy and bad migrants on one side of Europe literally drown in the ocean (maybe help a bit, if their skiffs seem to robust) and open the doors for the good and awesome ExPaTs on the other side.

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                        Wonder if they have use for Ms and bS majors in stem, like biotech or cmb

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                        BioNTech, the German company that actually developed the Pfizer Covid vaccine, has a bunch of open job listings. So yes, they have a need for people with that skill set. Most of the jobs seem to require German language skills, but not all of them.

                        And if the most famous German biotech startup is looking for people, then there are bound to be even more lesser known companies also searching.

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                          Immigrating to Europe isn't the easy process a lot of people think it is. At least for the countries I tried (Germany, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands)...but I do know some things have changed recently, at least for Germany.

                          My efforts were about ten years ago thought. Despite having a graduate degree from a European institution I still found it impossible.

                          For Germany, though I had spent the previous 10 years as a software developer (which is classified as an Engpassberuf), I was told that the regulations would only allow me to seek work based on the skills from that degree (Berufsqualifikation). My Master's degree was in a different technical field (European development planning), and my BAs were in European Studies and German Language and Literature. I also studied at the Goethe Institute and completed the Oberstufe C2 exam. But none of that was sufficient.

                          Now I am middle aged, have a wife and kids, chronic health issues...and though I would love to emigrate, I can't imagine uprooting them all, even if I could find a European country willing to take us.

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                            I bring a certain militant veganism that makes some NIMBYs uncomfortable

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                            What's a NIMBY ?

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                              My employer offers visa sponsorship to employees wanting to migrate to the Netherlands. Once I meet the tenure requirements (a little over a month left), I intend to start the process. My spouse and kid are onboard. We've already started learning Dutch and made a week-long trip there a couple weeks ago to make sure we would like it.

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                                Why would they prefer Europe to Canada?

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                                Europe is further from the US.

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                                  Trump is trying to turn the US into the 80s China. Repression included. China has come a long way since then.

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                                  Scratching my head at this comment tbh. While I wasn't really around in the 80s, I can't imagine the US becoming like "80s China". Especially not given the fact that the Trump presidency is a confluence of libertarian extremists, evangelical extremists, and foreign autocrats backing an aspiring autocrat with narcissist tendencies. Sure, there will be corruption and repression and suffering, but that's where the similarities end, ... no?

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                                    What's a NIMBY ?

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                                    People who say "Not In My BackYard", figuratively, people who block local development for spurious personal reasons. E.g., people who sue against building a new school near their home, because the kids might be loud.

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                                      I'm a senior software engineer! Brain drain me!

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                                        My employer offers visa sponsorship to employees wanting to migrate to the Netherlands. Once I meet the tenure requirements (a little over a month left), I intend to start the process. My spouse and kid are onboard. We've already started learning Dutch and made a week-long trip there a couple weeks ago to make sure we would like it.

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                                        I'm a senior software engineer interested in moving to the Netherlands. Can you tell me more?

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                                          I'm an industrial engineer and while Mein deutsch ist scheiß, I'm still learning in the hopes that if I get to go to Europe as a brain drain or as a refugee (listen, if shit gets bad enough it'll still be shocking if we're let in) that I won't just be some dumb monolingual American.

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