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Germany’s Next Chancellor Merz Ready to Supply Taurus Missiles to Ukraine

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    He hasn’t been steady on that at all. His flip flopping around the Schuldenbremse topic ahead of the election was completely erratic.

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    He was indeed not completely consistent, but he never mentioned a 900bn€ package to sidestep the debt brake. He dithered between "absolutely no changes, the others are idiots and I will solve this with my superior instinct for economics and cutting social systems" and "maybe loosen up a little bit but continued austerity is or goal."

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      cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/61295662

      Germany’s next chancellor signaled his willingness to provide Ukraine with long-range Taurus cruise missiles, marking a potential shift in Berlin’s military support as Kyiv continues to press for more high-precision weapons to hit deep into Russian-held territory, The Financial Times reported on April 13.

      Friedrich Merz, leader of the center-right Christian Democrats (CDU) and the expected successor to Olaf Scholz said that Germany should participate in supplying Taurus missiles if a joint decision is reached with European allies.

      “Our European partners are already supplying cruise missiles,” Merz said. “The British are doing it, the French are doing it, and the Americans are doing it anyway.”

      “This must be jointly agreed. And if it is agreed, then Germany should take part,” he added.

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      Making more money with death. Great.

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        Yeah, he and his party have steadily talked about delivering Taurus, to then initiated votes in parliament that did get much less yes votes in total then just Merz' party alone had. He talked loudly about how he would totally send Taurus if he had to decide. Now he has to decide so he moved to goalposts to "Europeans need to decide it". And he will continue like this.

        He was also very steady on the absolute non-negotiability of Germany's debt brake for years and through the last election campaign... until he negotiated the biggest debt package in Germany's history days after the election, then pushed it through with the still existing old parliament (and with the exact same parties he refused to even discuss this for years) as he doesn't have the majority in the new parliament.

        Speaking of the new parliament... with right-wing morons now the second biggest party because Merz spend years parroting their talking points. All while steadily rejecting the idea to ever work with them. Until he tried to push an anti-immigration package through with their votes just two weeks before the election. Then he turned around and pretended that he did not cooperate with them as he would obviously never do this... oh and the 100 thousands of protesters spontaneously taking to the streets all over the country because of that massive breach of his word and the historical precedence of voting through legislation with the far right were called insane lefties and paid actors (also insinuating that they should not ahve their consitutional right to protest).

        In short: Merz lies when he opens his mouth. He's basically what you get when you order Trump on Wish (not coincidently his inner circle spend a lot of time in the last years forging good connections to MAGA morons, learning from them how to campaign on culture war bullshit and lies... also in a similar vein those same people are -now that speaking too favorable about Trump would cost them votes for now- already advocating a normalisation of that other group of Putin puppets, the far-right AfD).

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        Mark my words Taurus will be delivered under Merz to Ukraine before the war ends. Of course he will consult european allies. He will use the coalition of the willing to give more missiles to Ukraine together with other nations like the UK or France. I highly doubt any input of Slovakia or Hungary are gonna matter.

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          Making more money with death. Great.

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          It’s as close to perfectly ethical as weapon sales can be. Ukraine defining itself is an open and shut case for a just war. Particularly so because Ukraine does not target civilian homes etc.

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            It’s as close to perfectly ethical as weapon sales can be. Ukraine defining itself is an open and shut case for a just war. Particularly so because Ukraine does not target civilian homes etc.

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            No. It is not. Ukrainian proletarians kill Russian proletarians and the other way around. Surely, Russia invaded the Ukraine. And they target civilian infrastructure. However, the EU has an interest in the war continuing to justify armament and to export capital to the Ukrain. That is why the EU countries did not do anything when China and Brasil wanted to stop the war by diplomacy. And that is the only way: China needs to perusade Russia into ending the war.
            If there really was a moral reason to help the Ukraine defend itself than the same would be applied to Palastine whoever somehow here the one g3n0c1ding is aided.

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              No. It is not. Ukrainian proletarians kill Russian proletarians and the other way around. Surely, Russia invaded the Ukraine. And they target civilian infrastructure. However, the EU has an interest in the war continuing to justify armament and to export capital to the Ukrain. That is why the EU countries did not do anything when China and Brasil wanted to stop the war by diplomacy. And that is the only way: China needs to perusade Russia into ending the war.
              If there really was a moral reason to help the Ukraine defend itself than the same would be applied to Palastine whoever somehow here the one g3n0c1ding is aided.

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              Can you think of a more just war?

              1. Russia promises territorial integrity in exchange for giving up nuclear weapons.

              2. Ukraine says yes and gives up nuclear weapons.

              3. Russia and Ukraine agree and sign a treaty.

              Russia invades Ukraine?!?!

              I personally can not think of a more just war.

              It’s a defensive war against an imperialist aggressor who signed a treaty promising not to invade in exchange for giving up nuclear weapons.

              Open and shut case.

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                Making more money with death. Great.

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                Better than letting Ruzzia make money with war AND win

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                  cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/61295662

                  Germany’s next chancellor signaled his willingness to provide Ukraine with long-range Taurus cruise missiles, marking a potential shift in Berlin’s military support as Kyiv continues to press for more high-precision weapons to hit deep into Russian-held territory, The Financial Times reported on April 13.

                  Friedrich Merz, leader of the center-right Christian Democrats (CDU) and the expected successor to Olaf Scholz said that Germany should participate in supplying Taurus missiles if a joint decision is reached with European allies.

                  “Our European partners are already supplying cruise missiles,” Merz said. “The British are doing it, the French are doing it, and the Americans are doing it anyway.”

                  “This must be jointly agreed. And if it is agreed, then Germany should take part,” he added.

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                  Good. It ain't over until Russia goes back to their fucking place.

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                    No. It is not. Ukrainian proletarians kill Russian proletarians and the other way around. Surely, Russia invaded the Ukraine. And they target civilian infrastructure. However, the EU has an interest in the war continuing to justify armament and to export capital to the Ukrain. That is why the EU countries did not do anything when China and Brasil wanted to stop the war by diplomacy. And that is the only way: China needs to perusade Russia into ending the war.
                    If there really was a moral reason to help the Ukraine defend itself than the same would be applied to Palastine whoever somehow here the one g3n0c1ding is aided.

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                    And that is the only way: China needs to perusade Russia into ending the war.

                    There's another way - Ukraine beats the shit out of Russia, which they currently do. Russia's reserves of the soviet union are drained fast and they cant produce weapons of war quickly enough, let alone provide more soldiers for the meat grinder.

                    Arming Ukraine to the teeth to enable it to fend for itself is 100% the right choice.

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                    • M [email protected]

                      Can you think of a more just war?

                      1. Russia promises territorial integrity in exchange for giving up nuclear weapons.

                      2. Ukraine says yes and gives up nuclear weapons.

                      3. Russia and Ukraine agree and sign a treaty.

                      Russia invades Ukraine?!?!

                      I personally can not think of a more just war.

                      It’s a defensive war against an imperialist aggressor who signed a treaty promising not to invade in exchange for giving up nuclear weapons.

                      Open and shut case.

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                      Where did you disproof any of my claims?
                      This war could have been over long ago without the Proletariat of more than two nations being decimated. But this would stand in the way of capital interest, which is why the peace talks of China and Brazil were ignored by the west.
                      If you want to argue then address my point please.

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                        And that is the only way: China needs to perusade Russia into ending the war.

                        There's another way - Ukraine beats the shit out of Russia, which they currently do. Russia's reserves of the soviet union are drained fast and they cant produce weapons of war quickly enough, let alone provide more soldiers for the meat grinder.

                        Arming Ukraine to the teeth to enable it to fend for itself is 100% the right choice.

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                        Interestinly the people claiming this also claimed that years ago and are the same people claiming the EU has to rearm as Russia might attack NATO countries.

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                          cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/61295662

                          Germany’s next chancellor signaled his willingness to provide Ukraine with long-range Taurus cruise missiles, marking a potential shift in Berlin’s military support as Kyiv continues to press for more high-precision weapons to hit deep into Russian-held territory, The Financial Times reported on April 13.

                          Friedrich Merz, leader of the center-right Christian Democrats (CDU) and the expected successor to Olaf Scholz said that Germany should participate in supplying Taurus missiles if a joint decision is reached with European allies.

                          “Our European partners are already supplying cruise missiles,” Merz said. “The British are doing it, the French are doing it, and the Americans are doing it anyway.”

                          “This must be jointly agreed. And if it is agreed, then Germany should take part,” he added.

                          [...]

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                          Es geht durch die Welt ein Geflüster...

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                            Interestinly the people claiming this also claimed that years ago and are the same people claiming the EU has to rearm as Russia might attack NATO countries.

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                            I don't get your point. Russia still might attack NATO countries and we should've rearmed years ago.

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                            • elrecoal19_1@lemmy.worldE [email protected]

                              Better than letting Ruzzia make money with war AND win

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                              They would make so mich money if China does not trade with them. But diplomacy does not work, right? That's why we don't try it and it is not us or rather our proletariat that is sacrificed to protect our capital interest and a nation freed from Russia by Nazis using the slogan by the fascists.
                              And yes China is interested, which is why they initiated talkes, but the "peacekeeping west" ignored.

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                                I don't get your point. Russia still might attack NATO countries and we should've rearmed years ago.

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                                Then explain why? You can't even know how the military of said EU country is equipped, as that is classified for obvious reasons. Stop galling for those obvious war propaganda and read a book or start with this article: https://kritikpunkt.com/2025/03/29/mythos-aufruestung/

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                                  Where did you disproof any of my claims?
                                  This war could have been over long ago without the Proletariat of more than two nations being decimated. But this would stand in the way of capital interest, which is why the peace talks of China and Brazil were ignored by the west.
                                  If you want to argue then address my point please.

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                                  The war could have never started if Russia had honored the treaty that it signed.

                                  Your points are not worth trying to disprove. You make the claims you bring the proof.

                                  The main point is that Ukraine is fighting a just war and I showed why. You can’t name a more just war.

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                                    The war could have never started if Russia had honored the treaty that it signed.

                                    Your points are not worth trying to disprove. You make the claims you bring the proof.

                                    The main point is that Ukraine is fighting a just war and I showed why. You can’t name a more just war.

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                                    Then go to the front and die for capital interest instead of talking such bullshit for which actual people die who do not want to.

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                                      Making more money with death. Great.

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                                      Undoubtedly yes there will be deaths, but the previous Taurus strikes where used to destroy ammunition, weapons vehicles and other military supplies in Russian territory. So maybe its getting rid of some death causing things aswell.
                                      Just a thought.

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                                        They would make so mich money if China does not trade with them. But diplomacy does not work, right? That's why we don't try it and it is not us or rather our proletariat that is sacrificed to protect our capital interest and a nation freed from Russia by Nazis using the slogan by the fascists.
                                        And yes China is interested, which is why they initiated talkes, but the "peacekeeping west" ignored.

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                                        I barely understand anhthing from your word salad, so let me guess: west bad, russia is communist and will save us? lol

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                                          I barely understand anhthing from your word salad, so let me guess: west bad, russia is communist and will save us? lol

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                                          Thinking modern Russia is communist is an interesting stance.
                                          Let me go over it quickly.
                                          Stateless (nope), classless (nope), moneyless (nope) society.
                                          Hmm...

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