So um, the united states just started another war in the middle east. We're going to need a shit ton more memes to distract americans from the nightmare they are enduring. Thanks in advance...
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What I hope for those in other countries, is that they understand that I had no control or decision of what vagina I fell out of or what dirt I landed on.
I did not choose to be American, I was just born here. And I most certainly do not agree or approve of any war.
I do hope most other decent people might agree with me.
Fuck Donald Turd.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You didn’t choose to be born American, but per your own admission in this thread you chose not to vote. So you can fuck all the way off with this sanctimonious bullshit.
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No, the Americans need to be consistently reminded of what their government is doing so that there's at least the slightest chance they'll put a stop to it. They don't get to ignore the problem, it's their job to fix it. They are not babies to be coddled.
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I’m not as mad at the 32% that elected trump as I am at the ones that sat at home and let it happen.
It's liberals like you who let America become a dictatorship when you voted for Genocide Joe last year
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No, the Americans need to be consistently reminded of what their government is doing so that there's at least the slightest chance they'll put a stop to it. They don't get to ignore the problem, it's their job to fix it. They are not babies to be coddled.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I have no clue what to do. I'm American. I'm trans. I voted for Harris. I live in a blue state. I've gone to protests. I've talked to state senators about legislation. I've canvassed. I've talked to Trump supporters and tried to get them to change their minds.
it all feels totally useless. nothing I've done has had any effect. my own mom voted for Trump three times. it's like being chained to an anvil and thrown overboard. I'm swimming but I'm still drowning.
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It's liberals like you who let America become a dictatorship when you voted for Genocide Joe last year
Last year?
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Almost like we are the baddies
Bestween this and Yemen, Palestine, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Guatemala, Chile, Cuba, Indonesia, Timor, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Korea you'd almost start to think that. I wonder how many countries the real baddies have attacked. Must be way more.
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I have no clue what to do. I'm American. I'm trans. I voted for Harris. I live in a blue state. I've gone to protests. I've talked to state senators about legislation. I've canvassed. I've talked to Trump supporters and tried to get them to change their minds.
it all feels totally useless. nothing I've done has had any effect. my own mom voted for Trump three times. it's like being chained to an anvil and thrown overboard. I'm swimming but I'm still drowning.
You do know what to do and you are doing it! It's not going to magically solve everything but you are doing more than most people.
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You gotta get in the building first. Back in 2016, me and a friend went to vote. I would have voted Vermin Supreme (legit candidate no less), and my buddy planned on writing in Batman.
We stood in line for around 2 hours. For about the last half hour of waiting it was raining. Around half of everyone knew the weather forecast and had an umbrella, including us.
They closed the voting place (library) down at 8pm sharp, and the cops told everyone in line to go home. We were probably 150~200 people back in line.
We all waited that long, even in the fucking rain, only to be ordered to leave?!
If it matters (which it probably does), our state doesn't have early voting, you get one day to do it and that's it.
Wait 2 goddamn hours, partly in the rain, only to get shut down with around 200 people or so waiting to vote?!
Sooo.. I've never had a chance to see the inside of a voting facility. Not for lack of trying though.
Eh, a Trump scenario was inevitable unless people grew balls and voted for someone like Vermin Supreme. You have to be the first one to vote third party.
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Bombs are falling in the Middle East, but it is Americans who are in a nightmare? Lol.
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I have no clue what to do. I'm American. I'm trans. I voted for Harris. I live in a blue state. I've gone to protests. I've talked to state senators about legislation. I've canvassed. I've talked to Trump supporters and tried to get them to change their minds.
it all feels totally useless. nothing I've done has had any effect. my own mom voted for Trump three times. it's like being chained to an anvil and thrown overboard. I'm swimming but I'm still drowning.
Continue doing exactly that and convince others to do the same. It's a slow process but the only way to fix things.
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There is not enough alcohol on this planet to survive to the next election
Do we actually want to survive it?
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Yeah. Keep them in the memes as to distract them from the dystopia right outside their doors.
Won't anybody think of the shareholders?
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I hate that 2/3 of my fellow citizens support this, either directly or or tacitly by choosing not to vote.
I really hope the protest/non voters are happy with the outcome they chose. I can't wait to hear them tell me that Harris would have done this too! Anything to justify intentionally causing the suffering of more people....
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Has it ever crossed anyone's mind, that those of that didn't vote, was usually because we didn't approve of either candidate?
Christ, do they not teach the trolley problem anymore?
"Has it ever crossed anyone's mind that I didn't want the 5 guys on the main track or the 1 guy on the side track to die?"
Duh. That's the point. You act and feel guilty about a small bad thing, or do nothing and feel guilty about a big bad thing. We got the big bad ending, feel guilty.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Portraying this as a trolley problem is misleading and manipulative.
This is not a trolley problem because:
- It's not a single decision after which there is no walking back on it, rather it's a cyclical choice which happens every 4 years and a lot of what was done by the candidate elected in once cycle can be undone in the next (as the Republicans frequently demonstrate when one of theirs gets elected after a Democrat).
- It's not a single person making a decision, it's millions of people all at the same time and it's not even the average of their choices that gets executed (that would require Proportional Vote) but it's done using a weird mathematical formula, so there are tons of situations were no matter what one's choice is (or even not choosing at all) it makes no difference whatsoever.
- Voters don't actually know upfront what either choice will deliver. Politicians often promise one thing and do something else.
The closest philosophical or game theory example to an election is a cyclical "Ultimatum Game" between voters and politicians only it's in the best interest of politicians that people don't see it that way (because they would be aware that they can punishing politicians in one cycle to get them to do a different split the next one, or specifically in American politics they can Punish the DNC in one cycle for fielding a too rightwing candidate to get them to field a less rightwing candidate the next cycle) so instead their propaganda has pushed for decades this falacy that it's an "trolley problem" and it's companion: the idea that people must "chose the lesser evil".
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Distracting people from what is happening is NOT what you want.
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Bombs are falling in the Middle East, but it is Americans who are in a nightmare? Lol.
I have a hunch the title might have been cynicism.
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Has it ever crossed anyone's mind, that those of that didn't vote, was usually because we didn't approve of either candidate?
I never approved of orange baby, plain and simple.
Kamala was cool though, looking to help people and not deceive them, and I just might have voted for her.
But even though I have no problem with a female president, she would have too many world stage problems with countries and groups that don't respect women at all.
So, seeing both as a risk, why would I have voted for either? Like, why did Pete Buttiguieg drop out?
That's the real question, what forces in play made my dude Pete drop out? I sure as hell would have voted for him!
Has it ever crossed anyone's mind, that those of that didn't vote, was usually because we didn't approve of either candidate?
Life is full of decisions that seemingly only have bad options, but one option was clearly drastically worse than the other.
Not voting because you don't like either candidate despite knowing that one is a crypto fascist with the intention to burn things down is childish and, IMO, means you don't get to say you're not responsible for trump.
Your choice in the election is a contributing factor, you don't get a pass because you sat out. By not voting, you tacitly endorsed trump. It sucks to hear that put in your face, but that's the same message I had to learn after 2016. I know you won't like the message here, but I hope you take the lesson to heart and vote for the less awful candidates (assuming we get to have elections again) instead of taking your ball, going home, and letting a Nazi take power.
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Yeah, certainly. Only an utter imbecile would attempt symmetrical warfare with the U.S.
Asymmetric is the only way to go, and non-attributability would be the ideal.
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That theory works great in hindsight, but before the election the orange turd was promising to stop wars, not start them.
Sure we all know he's a liar now, but before the election, going on their campaigns, how could anyone be sure which track would actually have more bodies in the future in that Trolley Problem.
You can't predict the future, so that's like presenting the Trolley Problem as if the switch is 10 miles before the tracks split.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Wow.... All I can say right now is that I'm continually amazed at the lengths uninformed voters go to justify being willfully ignorant about basic facts of the candidates....
That theory works great in hindsight, but before the election the orange turd was promising to stop wars, not start them
Why would you ever believe that, knowing the people that surround him, his history of aggression instead of diplomacy, or the support of Russia and Israel, two murderous regimes actively killing people in wars they're waging?
Sure we all know he's a liar now,
If you didn't know he was a consummate liar before the election, you chose to be ignorant of his history. Or did you think the man who lied or misled* the people Over 30,000 times in his first term had a sudden change in behavior?
but before the election, going on their campaigns, how could anyone be sure which track would actually have more bodies in the future in that Trolley Problem
By knowing any of his history? Like, we knew who he was associating with. The people who wrote project 2025 were clear on what they wanted to do. We knew from the previous administration that he would target racial minorities and anyone lgbtq+. He showed last administration that he was basically in bed with Israel, so we knew he would be worse for Gaza.
Anyone actually informing themselves about him would know his horrible past and that he would have been more deadly.
You can't predict the future,
A quote comes to mind: "the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior," and literally everyone paying attention predicted he would start a war of some kind. After all, we knew that in Iran specifically, they were aiming for regime change at the very least. This is an article from less than a year ago, months before the election
On Iran, Project 2025 advocates a markedly more confrontational stance, denigrating diplomacy and the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in favor of barely veiled advocacy for regime change. The document outlines a new security architecture in the Middle East that builds on the Abraham Accords but undermines those efforts by deliberately making no mention of the Palestinian people and promising to defund the Palestinian Authority—a sabotage of any hopes for a Palestinian state. As the past year has tragically demonstrated, continued neglect of the root causes of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will only benefit Iranian proxy recruitment efforts and risk continued violence, including attacks on American troops and installations.
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Iran: With the Iranian nuclear program revived by the scuttling of the JCPOA, Project 2025 would now boost Tehran’s recruitment efforts in the region by deliberately sabotaging any hopes for Palestinian statehood.
And for added relevance to this very article
At a time when the doomsday clock is already set closer to midnight than ever before due to “widespread and growing reliance on nuclear weapons,” Project 2025’s solution is to ramp up the U.S. nuclear arsenal. The United States and the Russian Federation have not been in a more precarious nuclear posture since the end of the Cold War. The lapse of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty in 2019 and the uncertain future of the New START Treaty, which is set to expire in 2026, further exacerbate tensions and raise concerns about a renewed arms race. In the Middle East, Iran is potentially days away from nuclear weapons capabilities after aggressively stockpiling uranium following the Trump administration’s withdrawal from the JCPOA. In East Asia, China has rapidly expanded its nuclear arsenal and advanced its missile technology, aiming to reach parity with the United States by the mid-2030s. North Korea has continued to enhance its own nuclear and ballistic missile capabilities, conducting frequent tests and increasing the range and precision of its systems.
So we definitely knew what was coming. Anyone saying otherwise is grossly uninformed or lying.
so that's like presenting the Trolley Problem as if the switch is 10 miles before the tracks split.
Maybe if you had a CCTV monitor showing you the split and the people who were tied to the tracks on the other side.
This is just a desperate excuse to justify your choice based on willful ignorance. You don't get to shirk the responsibility of your choice or the consequences thereof.
I know you won't like it, but better to learn the hard lesson now, than repeat it again in the future, right?
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I didn't have TV from 2016 to 2019.
I didn't have Internet from 2016 to 2021.
What's your excuse for 2021 to 2024?
