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Bezos wedding: Venice protestors claim 'enormous victory' after venue change

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  • E [email protected]

    I've tried it, it doesn't work. It just made my back sore...

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    #78

    I'm sure the Venetians would gladly help lex luthor with any difficulties in bending

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    • P [email protected]

      What structures are people supposed to create exactly?

      That's to be determined. I don't know how people want to live.

      What Bezos has done for Amazon, which is ignored as he "doesn't work", has to be replaced. People have to be organized. The structure can be anything that works, but it has to be something.

      Same for all the other billionaires that people don't want to see in power.

      Entitled motherfuckers coming in their private planes and yachts acting like they own a city that’s literally sinking and where locals can hardly make a living.

      Haven't locals already been replaced by millionaires and moved to Mestre? I don't want to root for millionaires who feel diminished by billionaires.

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      What is it you think Bezos does and has done "for Amazon" that makes him so important? The main thing he was good at was knowing how to rig the system. If he died tomorrow you'll see that Amazon will do just as fine, possibly even better. He's not even the CEO anymore. People can't just "create structures" when all the world's resources are owned by regimes and big corporations. If I create my own Amazon-equivalent they're gonna destroy me before I ever make it big.

      The Old City is being heavily depopulated, yes. Locals can hardly even live their anymore. So why wouldn't thry be angry?

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        Ironic. Venice was built by people like Bezos.

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        No matter how one looks at that assertion, it's just plain fucking wrong.

        Did slave owners build Venice? No. Rich Romans? Also no. Someone who isn't a slave owner but worked all his subjects to the bone? Nope as well.

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        • almacca@aussie.zoneA [email protected]

          Meanwhile, Venice is sinking. But money is more important. 😐

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          Don't you need money to stop Venice sinking?

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            Because they wouldn't get to that position if they were just plain stupid. But it's amazing what someone can fail to understand when their livelihood depends on it.

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            Because they wouldn't get to that position if they were just plain stupid.

            Counterpoint: Trump

            The influence of money outweighs intelligence every time, which is precisely why your second statement holds true.

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              What is it you think Bezos does and has done "for Amazon" that makes him so important? The main thing he was good at was knowing how to rig the system. If he died tomorrow you'll see that Amazon will do just as fine, possibly even better. He's not even the CEO anymore. People can't just "create structures" when all the world's resources are owned by regimes and big corporations. If I create my own Amazon-equivalent they're gonna destroy me before I ever make it big.

              The Old City is being heavily depopulated, yes. Locals can hardly even live their anymore. So why wouldn't thry be angry?

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              If I create my own Amazon-equivalent they’re gonna destroy me before I ever make it big

              Start an AWS in Europe now. You should even get government support.

              What is it you think Bezos does and has done “for Amazon” that makes him so important? T

              Have you seen my great man comments? Nothing in particular. But if people want to do without billionaires, they have to do "it" by themselves.

              Locals can hardly even live their anymore. So why wouldn’t thry be angry?

              Are they? "Pay more tax" sounds like a demand from American expats. More irony if they are defending Venice from Bezos.

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                If I create my own Amazon-equivalent they’re gonna destroy me before I ever make it big

                Start an AWS in Europe now. You should even get government support.

                What is it you think Bezos does and has done “for Amazon” that makes him so important? T

                Have you seen my great man comments? Nothing in particular. But if people want to do without billionaires, they have to do "it" by themselves.

                Locals can hardly even live their anymore. So why wouldn’t thry be angry?

                Are they? "Pay more tax" sounds like a demand from American expats. More irony if they are defending Venice from Bezos.

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                There's plenty of Cloud companies in the works currently; I already applied for a position at Evroc. But it's not all that Amazon does.

                Run corporations by ourselves? Gladly! When do the CEOs step down?

                Definitely Italian names and groups being mentioned in the article. Might be some Americans and others inbetween; it's a struggle mirrored around the world. Can just be a reference to the fact that Bezos and Amazon are known tax evaders - including for their EU business. And yes, I'd imagine that people aren't happy about being priced out of their own communities - hence the widespread anti-tourism protests in general

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                • C [email protected]

                  I think the Titanic could use a few more wealthy visitors.

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                  I hear there's a well-known company that started taking tourists down to it a few years back! They were all over the press! Sounds like a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity!

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                  • pelespirit@sh.itjust.worksP [email protected]

                    "We are very proud of this! We are nobodies, we have no money, nothing!" Tommaso Cacciari, from a group calling itself No Space for Bezos, told the BBC.

                    "We're just citizens who started organising and we managed to move one of the most powerful people in the world - all the billionaires - out of the city."

                    The wedding kicks off later this week, and has a star-studded guest list of the rich and famous that is rumoured to include Kim Kardashian, Mick Jagger and Leonardo diCaprio, as well as several of the Trumps.

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                    That picture. He's one monocle away from being a bond villain and she looks like she's halfway through the transformation into a vampire on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. He's even got one eyebrow raised like the monocle is already there. I wonder if he's just used to wearing one in his evil lair.

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                    • icastfist@programming.devI [email protected]

                      No matter how one looks at that assertion, it's just plain fucking wrong.

                      Did slave owners build Venice? No. Rich Romans? Also no. Someone who isn't a slave owner but worked all his subjects to the bone? Nope as well.

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                      You have it backwards. Do I miss the /s?

                      Did slave owners build Venice? No.

                      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_slave_trade

                      Rich Romans? Also no.

                      This is further supported by documentation on the so-called "apostolic families", the twelve founding families of Venice who elected the first doge, who in most cases traced their lineage back to Roman families

                      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Republic_of_Venice

                      Bezos doesn't come from a rich family

                      Ted was a Danish American unicyclist born in Chicago to a family of Baptists.

                      Ted struggled with alcohol and with his finances. Jacklyn left her husband to live with her parents, filing for divorce in June 1965 when Jeff was 17 months old.

                      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos

                      Bezos is a rich trader, like the Venetians. Compared to them he doesn't look that bad.

                      Downvoters, these are facts and OP is wrong. You should't build your convictions on lies. Find valid reasons for the things you want to do.

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                        You’re only bringing that up because it’s a highly relevant and logical solution to the problem of isolated and ego driven wealth objectively and negatively affecting society on a global scale, way to strawman, libtard.

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                        You forgot to defend the conservative ideal of the Roman empire as the supreme fascist state! You need to talk about how the romans allowed the free market (with the guiding hand of daddy imperator) to determine where the money should go! Tell them that the money was used to build roads, not for trade, but to march their very manly soldiers on against the commies and the libs!

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                        • K [email protected]

                          There's plenty of Cloud companies in the works currently; I already applied for a position at Evroc. But it's not all that Amazon does.

                          Run corporations by ourselves? Gladly! When do the CEOs step down?

                          Definitely Italian names and groups being mentioned in the article. Might be some Americans and others inbetween; it's a struggle mirrored around the world. Can just be a reference to the fact that Bezos and Amazon are known tax evaders - including for their EU business. And yes, I'd imagine that people aren't happy about being priced out of their own communities - hence the widespread anti-tourism protests in general

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                          Run corporations by ourselves? Gladly! When do the CEOs step down?

                          How come it's either civil war or nothing for most lefties? Why are people willing to fight a civil war and believe in success but not willing to start a business? The probability for survival is much bigger.

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                            Run corporations by ourselves? Gladly! When do the CEOs step down?

                            How come it's either civil war or nothing for most lefties? Why are people willing to fight a civil war and believe in success but not willing to start a business? The probability for survival is much bigger.

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                            That might be a genuine option if not for widespread antitrust abuses by what is essentially monopolies.. your answer to that is "just create more businesses"?

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                              Having all those billionaires there gathered at once would be a massive opportunity to create a huge transferable amount of wealth under the right circumstances.

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                              Yeah,but can we please leave Venice intact doing that?
                              Without the tourists it's a nice little city to be honest, and its inhabitants have suffered enough.

                              Maybe Marghera?

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                                You have it backwards. Do I miss the /s?

                                Did slave owners build Venice? No.

                                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_slave_trade

                                Rich Romans? Also no.

                                This is further supported by documentation on the so-called "apostolic families", the twelve founding families of Venice who elected the first doge, who in most cases traced their lineage back to Roman families

                                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Republic_of_Venice

                                Bezos doesn't come from a rich family

                                Ted was a Danish American unicyclist born in Chicago to a family of Baptists.

                                Ted struggled with alcohol and with his finances. Jacklyn left her husband to live with her parents, filing for divorce in June 1965 when Jeff was 17 months old.

                                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos

                                Bezos is a rich trader, like the Venetians. Compared to them he doesn't look that bad.

                                Downvoters, these are facts and OP is wrong. You should't build your convictions on lies. Find valid reasons for the things you want to do.

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                                Venice as a city predates the independent republic by roughly 2 centuries

                                tradition and the available evidence have led several historians to agree that the original population of Venice consisted of refugees who were fleeing successive waves of Germanic and Hun invasions. (...) Some late Roman sources reveal the existence of fishermen, on the islands in the original marshy lagoons, who were referred to as incolae lacunae ("lagoon dwellers").

                                By your logic, Bezos built Washington, which is where Amazon started

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                                  Because they wouldn't get to that position if they were just plain stupid.

                                  Counterpoint: Trump

                                  The influence of money outweighs intelligence every time, which is precisely why your second statement holds true.

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                                  You both seem to be right. Needless levels of empathy should also be avoided in some sense. i want to believe in aliens though

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                                    "This event involves just 200 carefully selected guests and will bring major economic benefits to the city," the local politician said

                                    Tell me you don't understand what is being protested without telling me you don't understand what is being protested.

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                                    You cannot fathom the damages brought about by 20 years of Berlusconism

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                                    • P [email protected]

                                      Nothing was ever built by a person on a computer.

                                      Don't diminish his work. If you want billionaires to have less influence you have to replace what they do. If you think they do nothing then you have nothing to understand.

                                      Of all places, Venice is in the top 5 of places that cannot complain about being commercialized and rented out. Simping for Venice just shows how big the hate for Bezos is which isn't justified when looking at the criticism:

                                      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos

                                      Where does the hate come from? He shows the limits of worker organized structures in comparison. All the unemployed could have built Amazon by themselves. The focus should be placed on finding new forms of cooperation, not on hating Bezos.

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                                      You simping this hard for Bezos for free is the really sad part.

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                                        "We are very proud of this! We are nobodies, we have no money, nothing!" Tommaso Cacciari, from a group calling itself No Space for Bezos, told the BBC.

                                        "We're just citizens who started organising and we managed to move one of the most powerful people in the world - all the billionaires - out of the city."

                                        The wedding kicks off later this week, and has a star-studded guest list of the rich and famous that is rumoured to include Kim Kardashian, Mick Jagger and Leonardo diCaprio, as well as several of the Trumps.

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                                        If we were to rank people on the basis of how far they are on the path towards enlightenment, without a doubt Jeff Bezos would have all the world in front of him.

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                                        • icastfist@programming.devI [email protected]

                                          Venice as a city predates the independent republic by roughly 2 centuries

                                          tradition and the available evidence have led several historians to agree that the original population of Venice consisted of refugees who were fleeing successive waves of Germanic and Hun invasions. (...) Some late Roman sources reveal the existence of fishermen, on the islands in the original marshy lagoons, who were referred to as incolae lacunae ("lagoon dwellers").

                                          By your logic, Bezos built Washington, which is where Amazon started

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                                          By your logic, people visit Venice for the fisher village huts.

                                          If you don't see what the elite does, how can you live in an equal society? Then nobody does those things and the society crumbles or those who do become the next elite.

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