'Every word has come back to haunt me': China cracks down on women who write gay erotica
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"I've been warned not to talk about it," the woman wrote, before revealing snippets of the day she says she was arrested for publishing gay erotica.
"I'll never forget it - being escorted to the car in full view, enduring the humiliation of stripping naked for examination in front of strangers, putting on a vest for photos, sitting in the chair, shaking with fear, my heart pounding."
The handle, Pingping Anan Yongfu, is among at least 8 in recent months which have shared accounts on Chinese social media platform Weibo of being arrested for publishing gay erotic fiction. As authors recounted their experiences, dozens of lawyers offered pro bono help.
At least 30 writers, nearly all of them women in their 20s, have been arrested across the country since February, a lawyer defending one told the BBC. Many are out on bail or awaiting trial, but some are still in custody. Another lawyer told the BBC that many more contributors were summoned for questioning.
You know this is bad when even Hexbear isn't defending it. https://hexbear.net/post/5403841
LGBT rights are human rights, everywhere.
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This will eventually be the U.S. if we don’t stop the erosion. Right now they are going after trans, brown people. They will turn attention after to others.
Which is funny because I think most conservative and religious politicians are actually into gay sex.
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The future is here.
The future of our countries, if we don't act and stop conservativism.
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What "broad restrictions" is NZ and Australia under?
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Everything on the NZ list is illegal pretty much anywhere in the world though.
No golden showers for the Auzzies though.
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But .ml communities promise meChina has mote free speech than the West! How is this possible?
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To be clear, writing and posting erotica isn't illegal, its profiting off it that was illegal, which is still fucked, but less of a free speech issue.
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I know nothing about Chinese child care, but reading that the government wishes for more child rearing, might it be that there are other systemic problems like no access to child care facilities, a culture that doesn't value women and people exhausted by long work days? I might have read that this is part of the root cause in korea.
But sure, some gay novels might also be the reason for significant numbers.
Overall the Chinese are somewhat known for pragmatic approaches, why chasing illusions in this case? The total number of readers and writers can't be that huge can't it?I cant speak about all of China, but of the 6 cities Ive been to, each had far more accessible child-care-related facilities than the US, from schools within walking distance of tower blocks to more parks and infrastructure/personnel to help kids get there without crossing busy roads, to massive libraries with play places, movie theaters, family restaurants, to tiny amusement parks.
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To be clear, writing and posting erotica isn't illegal, its profiting off it that was illegal, which is still fucked, but less of a free speech issue.
It's really only a matter of degrees as you can sell other things for a profit so why not your literature?
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Yes, that's exactly what they're talking about and you're being extremely weird in making it a priority of discussion on something at best tangentially related.
It's just a straw man writ large because you're miffed at another online argument you had somewhere else.
You are using straw man incorrectly. Don't even try to go down the path of rhetorical flaws if you fuck that one up.
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Crazy amount of side information you have there. The sterilisation part is wild, i had the impression that the one child policy was only very scarcely enforced anyway and people had less kids due economics
Here in germoney there are church, state and private run kindergartens where you drop off your child 6 to 12 hours, they are not super easily available in big cities bit its a widely available system
I mean whats the alternative? Everyone lives in some big city but grandparents usually remain in the old desolated villages. Confining women to a life as care taker for at least 6 years?
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It's really only a matter of degrees as you can sell other things for a profit so why not your literature?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Correct. But at the same time, once you understand your speech is limited by your reach, which is determined by how big of a megaphone the capitalists will let you have, it becomes more murky. You can say whatever you want in America, and if the government doesnt like it, you will be silenced and ignored. The same applies in China, but there is a greater record of the government actually listening, though often to the worst groups, such as nimbys protesting the expansion of the Shangai maglev and assholes protesting even limited lockdowns in the city with the most covid that keeps infecting the rest of the country.
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Crazy amount of side information you have there. The sterilisation part is wild, i had the impression that the one child policy was only very scarcely enforced anyway and people had less kids due economics
Here in germoney there are church, state and private run kindergartens where you drop off your child 6 to 12 hours, they are not super easily available in big cities bit its a widely available system
I mean whats the alternative? Everyone lives in some big city but grandparents usually remain in the old desolated villages. Confining women to a life as care taker for at least 6 years?
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You are using straw man incorrectly. Don't even try to go down the path of rhetorical flaws if you fuck that one up.
You've literally defined the argument of an opposing group to look stupid so you can dunk on them. You're arguing with a straw man. This isn't even a critique of your rhetorical basis though, it's just normal Internet lameness.
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We are referring to the staunch defenders of the oppressive system which this thread is about, defenders who are very proactive on lemmy. The fact that you cannot see the relevance is on you.
Just because you feel like the straw men deserve it doesn't change that you're arguing with hypotheticals versions you've created instead of actual people.
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"I've been warned not to talk about it," the woman wrote, before revealing snippets of the day she says she was arrested for publishing gay erotica.
"I'll never forget it - being escorted to the car in full view, enduring the humiliation of stripping naked for examination in front of strangers, putting on a vest for photos, sitting in the chair, shaking with fear, my heart pounding."
The handle, Pingping Anan Yongfu, is among at least 8 in recent months which have shared accounts on Chinese social media platform Weibo of being arrested for publishing gay erotic fiction. As authors recounted their experiences, dozens of lawyers offered pro bono help.
At least 30 writers, nearly all of them women in their 20s, have been arrested across the country since February, a lawyer defending one told the BBC. Many are out on bail or awaiting trial, but some are still in custody. Another lawyer told the BBC that many more contributors were summoned for questioning.
From what i take from the article, it's mostly about people who earn money through erotic fiction?
I.e., i personally see a difference between producing erotic fiction for fun, and producing it for monetary rewards. I guess the argument could be that if you do it for a monetary reward, you're not contributing to society in a measurable way, which is why it's difficult to earn money with it; similar to gambling or making money on recreational drugs.
I guess a counterargument to that could be that writing erotic fiction does contribute to society, similar to how developing video games does, because it contributes to the mental wellbeing of the people.
I'm not saying that the arrests were right; just trying to come up with possible ways to look at this (by playing devil's advocate). And countering these arguments as well.
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You've literally defined the argument of an opposing group to look stupid so you can dunk on them. You're arguing with a straw man. This isn't even a critique of your rhetorical basis though, it's just normal Internet lameness.
You cannot present a strawman argument when the side you are arguing against isn't present. Thus I was not making a straw man. That's just insulting tankies
Don't bring these up unless you understand them and in this case you do not.
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You cannot present a strawman argument when the side you are arguing against isn't present. Thus I was not making a straw man. That's just insulting tankies
Don't bring these up unless you understand them and in this case you do not.
Lol, what? Do you seriously think you cannot create a straw man argument in anything but direct debate? Sure Mr. Smartman.
Hint, logical fallacies are about the logic, not the debate.
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Lol, what? Do you seriously think you cannot create a straw man argument in anything but direct debate? Sure Mr. Smartman.
Hint, logical fallacies are about the logic, not the debate.
I think you need to be actually arguing with someone to make an argument against them, yes. You cannot make an argument when you aren't doing so. You need to be debating to make logical fallacies. No one was doing that hence no one made a strawman argument.
Do you need this further explained? No argument was made. The side you are claiming I am making a strawman argument against is not present. There is no debate.
You used it wrong. Learn from this and move on. Don't misuse them in the future.
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The background of the matter transcends conflicts over gender concepts. In recent years, many local governments have been unable to cover their expenses, resulting in a phenomenon known as "distant sea fishing" (远洋捕捞), which refers to "profit-driven law enforcement," aimed at plundering money from other places. These female writers are just a tiny fraction of the victims. There are also well-known entrepreneurs who have lost their lives due to such extortion.
There are also well-known entrepreneurs who have lost their lives due to such extortion.
I'd be interested to read more, but I'm not sure I've heard about "distant sea fishing" before. Can you pass the articles/links to the stories you're referencing?
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"The Chinese government wants to promote traditional family values and liking danmei novels is seen as a factor in making women less willing to have children," Dr Ge explains.
It's the same among "Conservatives" in the US, Russia, and now apparently China.
They all say that we'd need "high birth rates", which is just not true.
Think about it: Automation and AI have the potential to put lots of people into unemployment in the next 20 years. For the sake of preventing that unemployment, it'd be good if people had fewer kids. Yet for some reason, governments struggle really hard to comprehend that simple connection.
