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Is trump a tool being used by the "good guys"?

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    Does anyone else think trump could be a puppet of the "regular" American government? As if what's happening now is that trump is getting used as a tool to "clean America up" so that it will eventually be easier to control. Trump is the "bad cop" in a "good cop / bad cop" set up and he is just used to take the brunt of the backlash while the "real" American government is using him as tool to get America to a point where it has more power over citizens? By America I mean FBI or CIA or whatever. It's like trump is being used the same as we manipulate and use leader of other countries when we want to get more power over them. Ultimately a coup from the inside.

    I know the whole heritage foundation and peter theil stuff... But do you think that's just the tip of the iceberg and wonder about the involvement of the FBI and CIA? It looks like they are going to get things to a point where they feel they have enough control over society and then all the sudden some miracle politician is going to come out and give an illusion of normalcy back, although things will be the same. The same way we feed leaders to take over other countries.

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    I can't say it's impossible but, I highly doubt that the CIA and FBI are secretly pulling any strings in government.

    Might as well try blaming it on the DMV or Social Security office.

    No point in blaming government departments (which are typically just thousands of people trying to do the job they were hired to do) when we already have evidence of what the Heritage Foundation and Putin are doing to influence the orange toolshed.

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      Does anyone else think trump could be a puppet of the "regular" American government? As if what's happening now is that trump is getting used as a tool to "clean America up" so that it will eventually be easier to control. Trump is the "bad cop" in a "good cop / bad cop" set up and he is just used to take the brunt of the backlash while the "real" American government is using him as tool to get America to a point where it has more power over citizens? By America I mean FBI or CIA or whatever. It's like trump is being used the same as we manipulate and use leader of other countries when we want to get more power over them. Ultimately a coup from the inside.

      I know the whole heritage foundation and peter theil stuff... But do you think that's just the tip of the iceberg and wonder about the involvement of the FBI and CIA? It looks like they are going to get things to a point where they feel they have enough control over society and then all the sudden some miracle politician is going to come out and give an illusion of normalcy back, although things will be the same. The same way we feed leaders to take over other countries.

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      No. Trump is aligned with people who align with his dictatorial ambitions, and right now he's aligned mostly with oligarchs, crypto bros, Peter Theil (the antichrist), Netanyahu, Viktor Orban, and Steven Miller. The flavor of the group here is theft from the American people to fund concentration camps and brown shirts. Oligarchs and Crypto Bros are the tool to extract money both to himself and from the public, Peter is the tool to conduct the witch hunts and provide cover, Netanyahu provides the testing grounds (west bank and gaza), Viktor provides the blueprint of dictatorial conversion from democracy, and Steven provides the cruelty. None of these people are controlling Trump away from his ambitions of a police state and that's why they're still around.

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        Does anyone else think trump could be a puppet of the "regular" American government? As if what's happening now is that trump is getting used as a tool to "clean America up" so that it will eventually be easier to control. Trump is the "bad cop" in a "good cop / bad cop" set up and he is just used to take the brunt of the backlash while the "real" American government is using him as tool to get America to a point where it has more power over citizens? By America I mean FBI or CIA or whatever. It's like trump is being used the same as we manipulate and use leader of other countries when we want to get more power over them. Ultimately a coup from the inside.

        I know the whole heritage foundation and peter theil stuff... But do you think that's just the tip of the iceberg and wonder about the involvement of the FBI and CIA? It looks like they are going to get things to a point where they feel they have enough control over society and then all the sudden some miracle politician is going to come out and give an illusion of normalcy back, although things will be the same. The same way we feed leaders to take over other countries.

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        Nice try Steve Bannon

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          Nice try Steve Bannon

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          Does Steve Bannon believe this stuff?

          I think the fed use people like him. Just another scape goat while they do their thing. It's a psychological social war and most people don't understand the game that is being played from Steve bannon to politicians to regular everyday people.

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            No. Trump is aligned with people who align with his dictatorial ambitions, and right now he's aligned mostly with oligarchs, crypto bros, Peter Theil (the antichrist), Netanyahu, Viktor Orban, and Steven Miller. The flavor of the group here is theft from the American people to fund concentration camps and brown shirts. Oligarchs and Crypto Bros are the tool to extract money both to himself and from the public, Peter is the tool to conduct the witch hunts and provide cover, Netanyahu provides the testing grounds (west bank and gaza), Viktor provides the blueprint of dictatorial conversion from democracy, and Steven provides the cruelty. None of these people are controlling Trump away from his ambitions of a police state and that's why they're still around.

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            I don't disagree agree with most of that... The only difference is I think there's people above all of them.

            Have you seen the Century of Self documentary about the beginning of using psychology in government and marketing? It's old and outdated but now things are more advanced. What's in that documentary sounds true, and I wonder what it's like in the modern day with algorithms, data mining, and ai.

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              I don't disagree agree with most of that... The only difference is I think there's people above all of them.

              Have you seen the Century of Self documentary about the beginning of using psychology in government and marketing? It's old and outdated but now things are more advanced. What's in that documentary sounds true, and I wonder what it's like in the modern day with algorithms, data mining, and ai.

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              I see no evidence or need for supposed people above, and they most certainly would not be in the now unfavored dept of intelligence. These people are all plenty capable of being this evil on their own unprompted, that's why they're in the roles they are. Evil doesn't necessitate complexity, they feel comfortable enough to show their face because they feel their power is absolute and will not be challenged at this point.

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                Does anyone else think trump could be a puppet of the "regular" American government? As if what's happening now is that trump is getting used as a tool to "clean America up" so that it will eventually be easier to control. Trump is the "bad cop" in a "good cop / bad cop" set up and he is just used to take the brunt of the backlash while the "real" American government is using him as tool to get America to a point where it has more power over citizens? By America I mean FBI or CIA or whatever. It's like trump is being used the same as we manipulate and use leader of other countries when we want to get more power over them. Ultimately a coup from the inside.

                I know the whole heritage foundation and peter theil stuff... But do you think that's just the tip of the iceberg and wonder about the involvement of the FBI and CIA? It looks like they are going to get things to a point where they feel they have enough control over society and then all the sudden some miracle politician is going to come out and give an illusion of normalcy back, although things will be the same. The same way we feed leaders to take over other countries.

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                Every usa president is a puppet. Different faces, same imperial ideology and foreign policies

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                  Does anyone else think trump could be a puppet of the "regular" American government? As if what's happening now is that trump is getting used as a tool to "clean America up" so that it will eventually be easier to control. Trump is the "bad cop" in a "good cop / bad cop" set up and he is just used to take the brunt of the backlash while the "real" American government is using him as tool to get America to a point where it has more power over citizens? By America I mean FBI or CIA or whatever. It's like trump is being used the same as we manipulate and use leader of other countries when we want to get more power over them. Ultimately a coup from the inside.

                  I know the whole heritage foundation and peter theil stuff... But do you think that's just the tip of the iceberg and wonder about the involvement of the FBI and CIA? It looks like they are going to get things to a point where they feel they have enough control over society and then all the sudden some miracle politician is going to come out and give an illusion of normalcy back, although things will be the same. The same way we feed leaders to take over other countries.

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                  There is no such things as good or bad guys it's all a matter of perspective, the Taliban-like Christians and the billionaire believe they're the good guys

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                    Does anyone else think trump could be a puppet of the "regular" American government? As if what's happening now is that trump is getting used as a tool to "clean America up" so that it will eventually be easier to control. Trump is the "bad cop" in a "good cop / bad cop" set up and he is just used to take the brunt of the backlash while the "real" American government is using him as tool to get America to a point where it has more power over citizens? By America I mean FBI or CIA or whatever. It's like trump is being used the same as we manipulate and use leader of other countries when we want to get more power over them. Ultimately a coup from the inside.

                    I know the whole heritage foundation and peter theil stuff... But do you think that's just the tip of the iceberg and wonder about the involvement of the FBI and CIA? It looks like they are going to get things to a point where they feel they have enough control over society and then all the sudden some miracle politician is going to come out and give an illusion of normalcy back, although things will be the same. The same way we feed leaders to take over other countries.

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                    Trump's name is almost certainly all over the Epstein files. I think there's an argument to be made that using a tool like that puts you firmly in the "bad guy" camp.

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                      Trump's name is almost certainly all over the Epstein files. I think there's an argument to be made that using a tool like that puts you firmly in the "bad guy" camp.

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                      Maybe there are multiple bad guy camps. Maybe he's someone's bitch specifically so he won't go to prison like some sort of extortion.

                      What if Epstein was fucked with because he was stepping on the feet of bigger people?

                      ...like bloods/ms13/crips eat the smaller gangs, mafias use and eat the street gangs, the cartel eats and uses the Mafia... The Mexican cartel says they have people in the American government. Trump has past ties to NYC mob families. I think people get desensitized to how real organized crime is because of Hollywood and entertainment.

                      Personally I think as long as one is even playing that game then they are the bad guy. ...but at the same time you can't fight it without playing it. It's like a paradox of hell.

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