In September 2024, "Ty Coon" was replaced with "Moe Ghoul" in the official text file for GPL v2, without changing the version number or URL.
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So instead of a racial slur they now make fun of Anime/Manga/Video Game fans
"Moe (Japanese: 萌え; pronounced [mo.e] ⓘ), sometimes romanized as moé, is a Japanese word that refers to feelings of strong affection mainly towards characters in anime, manga, video games, and other media directed at the otaku market. Moe, however, has also gained usage to refer to feelings of affection towards any subject"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_(slang)
That in combination with Ghoul
"In folklore, a ghoul (from Arabic: غول, ghūl) is a demon-like being or monstrous humanoid, often associated with graveyards and the consumption of human flesh"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoul
creates a not very nice combination.
Christ, what a stretch. It's obviously a play on the tech Mogul definition.
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Christ, what a stretch. It's obviously a play on the tech Mogul definition.
Not a bigger stretch then with the Ty Coon, that was obviously a play on the Tycoon.
It was not me who started to read bad things into word play, but by that rules is Moe Ghoul offensive too.
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Not a bigger stretch then with the Ty Coon, that was obviously a play on the Tycoon.
It was not me who started to read bad things into word play, but by that rules is Moe Ghoul offensive too.
Sure, because the persecution of black people in the US is at all equivalent to the bullying of anime nerds, right.
The problem is not that thin-skinned people could do mental gymnastics to find reasons to be upset, it's that 'coon' is straight up a racial slur that was historically a major tool of oppression.
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Sure, because the persecution of black people in the US is at all equivalent to the bullying of anime nerds, right.
The problem is not that thin-skinned people could do mental gymnastics to find reasons to be upset, it's that 'coon' is straight up a racial slur that was historically a major tool of oppression.
Bullying should never be ok, and rules should be valid and applicable for everyone.
Nobody should be a valid target for verbal abuse, not even anime nerds.
So if a rule against verbal harm and abuse are implemented (which I am not against at all) then such rule should be valid and used for all cases.
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Sure, because the persecution of black people in the US is at all equivalent to the bullying of anime nerds, right.
The problem is not that thin-skinned people could do mental gymnastics to find reasons to be upset, it's that 'coon' is straight up a racial slur that was historically a major tool of oppression.
Tbf, it's also still used to refer to actual raccoons and coonskin hats and such. It's also is still to this day an actual surname, there could literally be a guy with that actual name (actually, googled it, looks like there's a Resort in Maui, and the CEO of something called Savvy both actually have that name, albeit the resort with an s on the end). Monkey is also "straight up a racial slur that was historically a major tool of oppression" and also people still call others monkeys for just acting silly or haphazardly, and there's of course the animal. Jig is another, it both can be used as a racial slur or to describe a little dance.
Point being, there are both racist and innocuous uses of all those words, and without knowing more about the author we don't have sufficient information to conclude intent. Hell I don't even know their country of origin, it's possible they're not American, ESL, etc, and have no idea the connotations of the word beyond "name pun."
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Tbf, it's also still used to refer to actual raccoons and coonskin hats and such. It's also is still to this day an actual surname, there could literally be a guy with that actual name (actually, googled it, looks like there's a Resort in Maui, and the CEO of something called Savvy both actually have that name, albeit the resort with an s on the end). Monkey is also "straight up a racial slur that was historically a major tool of oppression" and also people still call others monkeys for just acting silly or haphazardly, and there's of course the animal. Jig is another, it both can be used as a racial slur or to describe a little dance.
Point being, there are both racist and innocuous uses of all those words, and without knowing more about the author we don't have sufficient information to conclude intent. Hell I don't even know their country of origin, it's possible they're not American, ESL, etc, and have no idea the connotations of the word beyond "name pun."
Fair point, but I can't blame them for playing it safe here.
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Bullying should never be ok, and rules should be valid and applicable for everyone.
Nobody should be a valid target for verbal abuse, not even anime nerds.
So if a rule against verbal harm and abuse are implemented (which I am not against at all) then such rule should be valid and used for all cases.
There is no equality if new inequality is created in the process.Go home, you're drunk.
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Fair point, but I can't blame them for playing it safe here.
Me neither.
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Jesus christ people in the comments here are pathetic. This clearly has nothing to do with racial slurs or otaku culture. It's a play on the totally normal english word "tycoon" which just means "very rich businessman" and "mogul" which is a synonym for "magnate". You can look these up, every half-decent dictionary has these words. They probably changed it because "coon" is a slur for black people and they didn't want to cause any misunderstandings. If any of this offends you, please, please just step outside, touch some grass, take a deep breath, relax.
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Go home, you're drunk.
I am drunk because I have the belief that everyone should be truly equal in front of the law and that rules about a thing/concept should be valid for all instances of that thing/concept?
If you think so then, ok I am drunk and go home.
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Jesus christ people in the comments here are pathetic. This clearly has nothing to do with racial slurs or otaku culture. It's a play on the totally normal english word "tycoon" which just means "very rich businessman" and "mogul" which is a synonym for "magnate". You can look these up, every half-decent dictionary has these words. They probably changed it because "coon" is a slur for black people and they didn't want to cause any misunderstandings. If any of this offends you, please, please just step outside, touch some grass, take a deep breath, relax.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You begin with "this clearly has nothing to do with racial slurs" and have near the end "they probably changed it because coon is a slur for black people".
This is self contradictory, both statements can't be true at the same time.
I am not offended by anything here, I couldn't care less about what they use as fun wordplay in there.
Had a slow day and lots of free time at a train ride and just want to show that everything written can be misinterpreted and misunderstood. There is a bad meaning or derogatory slang for nearly every word out there.
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So instead of a racial slur they now make fun of Anime/Manga/Video Game fans
"Moe (Japanese: 萌え; pronounced [mo.e] ⓘ), sometimes romanized as moé, is a Japanese word that refers to feelings of strong affection mainly towards characters in anime, manga, video games, and other media directed at the otaku market. Moe, however, has also gained usage to refer to feelings of affection towards any subject"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_(slang)
That in combination with Ghoul
"In folklore, a ghoul (from Arabic: غول, ghūl) is a demon-like being or monstrous humanoid, often associated with graveyards and the consumption of human flesh"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoul
creates a not very nice combination.
Touch grass
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You begin with "this clearly has nothing to do with racial slurs" and have near the end "they probably changed it because coon is a slur for black people".
This is self contradictory, both statements can't be true at the same time.
I am not offended by anything here, I couldn't care less about what they use as fun wordplay in there.
Had a slow day and lots of free time at a train ride and just want to show that everything written can be misinterpreted and misunderstood. There is a bad meaning or derogatory slang for nearly every word out there.
derogatory slang
What did you call me!?
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Not a bigger stretch then with the Ty Coon, that was obviously a play on the Tycoon.
It was not me who started to read bad things into word play, but by that rules is Moe Ghoul offensive too.
How many anime characters have been lynched by mobs calling them "moe"
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How many anime characters have been lynched by mobs calling them "moe"
Not the kind of choking that mob would do
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I am drunk because I have the belief that everyone should be truly equal in front of the law and that rules about a thing/concept should be valid for all instances of that thing/concept?
If you think so then, ok I am drunk and go home.
Have a nice weekend!You're drunk for thinking this is about you.
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You're drunk for thinking this is about you.
wrote last edited by [email protected]We talk about personal opinions, there is not much that is more personal then personal opinions. And you are making ad hominem claims (my soberness) so yes it is about me.
But it is not me how brought it to the personal level, that was you with calling me drunk.
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We talk about personal opinions, there is not much that is more personal then personal opinions. And you are making ad hominem claims (my soberness) so yes it is about me.
But it is not me how brought it to the personal level, that was you with calling me drunk.
Before that it was completely abstract and impersonal.It's only about you because you made it about you.
"Ghoul" is not a slur. You saying that seeing an unpleasant word next to a word that reminds you of anime is at all equivalent to a slur is frankly ghastly of you.
You'd almost have a leg to stand on if they changed it to "Captain Weeaboo" or something, but even then the comparison is a stretch. You're showing up at somebody's funeral to say "I scraped my knee, that's bad too! We're all equal as humans, so I deserve to speak".
Grow up.
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It's only about you because you made it about you.
"Ghoul" is not a slur. You saying that seeing an unpleasant word next to a word that reminds you of anime is at all equivalent to a slur is frankly ghastly of you.
You'd almost have a leg to stand on if they changed it to "Captain Weeaboo" or something, but even then the comparison is a stretch. You're showing up at somebody's funeral to say "I scraped my knee, that's bad too! We're all equal as humans, so I deserve to speak".
Grow up.
wrote last edited by [email protected]As I said in another post this was only a demonstration that people can read and interpret negative meaning in every combination of words if they really want to. I even gave the definition why "Ghoul" can be read in a negative way, but yeah it is easier to pull the conversation down to the ad hominem level like you did.
So in that regard was my little demonstration really successful, way more so then I intended.
To be honest, I don't care at all what they use as a funny wordplay, Moe Ghoul is even funnier than the older choice in my eyes. But my personal opinion about it is irrelevant, sorry that I have one.
I really think we should end the conversation here, because I already tried to end it with the nice weekend.
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You begin with "this clearly has nothing to do with racial slurs" and have near the end "they probably changed it because coon is a slur for black people".
This is self contradictory, both statements can't be true at the same time.
I am not offended by anything here, I couldn't care less about what they use as fun wordplay in there.
Had a slow day and lots of free time at a train ride and just want to show that everything written can be misinterpreted and misunderstood. There is a bad meaning or derogatory slang for nearly every word out there.
It absolutely can be true, though slightly misworded.
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the initial usage had nothing to do with the derogatory term.
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upon realizing the relation to the derogatory term they adapted.
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