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It's become strawman arguments to create different tribes.

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  • riddersport@feddit.orgR [email protected]

    Just to remind you, the only one's threatening or in fact undertaking territorial military expansion are China and Russia

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    Well, good thing you said military expansion, guess that completely let's the guy who's economically attacking a number of countries while also offering to pay them to join his country off the hook!

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      Well, good thing you said military expansion, guess that completely let's the guy who's economically attacking a number of countries while also offering to pay them to join his country off the hook!

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      I am not us-american, and I hate that orange turd as much as you do

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        ONLY if you ignore "soft" power, "regime change" economic imperialism and meddling in foreign democracies.

        You are responsible for your own actions, and the actions of your own country. Don't allow yourself to be blinded by the propaganda pointing to the "shithole" countries. Look at the numbers and the effects of the wars in recent decades. Follow the money.

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        I am not happy with how my country conducts its foreign affairs, but apart from its shameful stance on Israels war on Palestine, the points you mentioned can not be really made.

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          ONLY if you ignore "soft" power, "regime change" economic imperialism and meddling in foreign democracies.

          You are responsible for your own actions, and the actions of your own country. Don't allow yourself to be blinded by the propaganda pointing to the "shithole" countries. Look at the numbers and the effects of the wars in recent decades. Follow the money.

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          Trump dismantled US soft power. A lot of it happened in his first term, Biden built back some of it around the invasion of Ukraine, but Trump II has destroyed it further.

          Which is great if you ignore everything else.

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            It's become strawman arguments to create different tribes. The issue isn't about China or what they do well or do badly. The "facts" and accusations against "tankies" are just taken as given.

            Prejudice has become mainstream and a serious problem because people are just fed up with actually arguing. I think it started with the global warming denial. we learned that it's not just fringe groups that are simply immune to arguing, but that you can have half of the people be immune to political discourse. And of course Russia propaganda played a major role in that, but much less than the climate denial or religious or libertarian propaganda that comes from think tanks and the Koch brothers and Murdock and other plutocrats.

            As a radical and dissenter myself, I'm not pro Russia or pro China but I see them as a country of human beings and see how the propaganda against them is used to deflect both blame and attention away from the dominant world order, "US centric imperialism". The "leftists" and "progressives" point their finger to Iran or China or Russia about the LGBTQ or whatever issues over there using mainstream media or memes, instead of primarily focusing on the responsibility of their own actions, the actions of their own countries. The effects of soft power, the effects of "economic imperialism" on other countries, and their ignorance of what regime change actually means for the actual quality of life of those people living in "shithole" countries. Liberals don't realize how redpilled they are, how "unwoke". Hate sells really well in the attention economy.

            Almost nobody on "those instances" believes Russia or China is socialist. It's simply that a unipolar instead of a multipolar world will mean much less hope for any socialist projects to succeed. Constantly painting them as "evil" and threatening them with military expansion is also just wrong.

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            The issue isn’t about China or what they do well or do badly.

            Almost nobody on “those instances” believes Russia or China is socialist.

            China is Schroeder's Communism. Nobody seems to know whether it is a failed state because of their broken backwards Marxism or a juggernaut that's doing capitalism more Libertarianly than we are.

            All we can really agree on is that the country is ontologically evil and must be stopped at all costs.

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            • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

              The issue isn’t about China or what they do well or do badly.

              Almost nobody on “those instances” believes Russia or China is socialist.

              China is Schroeder's Communism. Nobody seems to know whether it is a failed state because of their broken backwards Marxism or a juggernaut that's doing capitalism more Libertarianly than we are.

              All we can really agree on is that the country is ontologically evil and must be stopped at all costs.

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              All we can really agree on is that the country is ontologically evil and must be stopped at all costs.

              But at what cost?

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              • riddersport@feddit.orgR [email protected]

                Just to remind you, the only one's threatening or in fact undertaking territorial military expansion are China and Russia

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                What were we doing in Iraq, again? Why are we still occupying Cuba, 60 years after they told us to leave? How come we have military bases all over the Caribbean and the Pacific Islands and the Middle East and West Africa?

                Also, what has Israel been doing in Lebanon and Syria?

                And while we're at it, what is India doing in Kashmir?

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                  Trump dismantled US soft power. A lot of it happened in his first term, Biden built back some of it around the invasion of Ukraine, but Trump II has destroyed it further.

                  Which is great if you ignore everything else.

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                  I'm curious how that will play out. They removed the carrot but kept the stick.

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                  • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

                    What were we doing in Iraq, again? Why are we still occupying Cuba, 60 years after they told us to leave? How come we have military bases all over the Caribbean and the Pacific Islands and the Middle East and West Africa?

                    Also, what has Israel been doing in Lebanon and Syria?

                    And while we're at it, what is India doing in Kashmir?

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                    Dude I am not American stop being so self-centred.

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                      Trump dismantled US soft power. A lot of it happened in his first term, Biden built back some of it around the invasion of Ukraine, but Trump II has destroyed it further.

                      Which is great if you ignore everything else.

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                      I am not American. Fuck US politics but also screw you for being so self-centred

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                      • riddersport@feddit.orgR [email protected]

                        I am not happy with how my country conducts its foreign affairs, but apart from its shameful stance on Israels war on Palestine, the points you mentioned can not be really made.

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                        Germany no, not directly. Indirectly they are collaborating with their ally and shielding their foreign policy. Like saying only those US rivals are dangerous. Indicating we need to invest in more weapons to defend ourselves against the bad guys. Europe probably should create their own military alliance to decouple from US military aggression, and stop supporting US sanctions / economic aggression.

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                        • riddersport@feddit.orgR [email protected]

                          Dude I am not American stop being so self-centred.

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                          You think America was the only country that invaded Iraq? Learn some history.

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                          • riddersport@feddit.orgR [email protected]

                            Just to remind you, the only one's threatening or in fact undertaking territorial military expansion are China and Russia

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                            Iraq, Libya, Palestine, Syria, half of Africa, half of South America, etc. And yes, overthrowing a government to install a puppet counts as territorial expansion.

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                            • riddersport@feddit.orgR [email protected]

                              I am not happy with how my country conducts its foreign affairs, but apart from its shameful stance on Israels war on Palestine, the points you mentioned can not be really made.

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                              You're country is balls deep in a modern holocaust.

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                              • riddersport@feddit.orgR [email protected]

                                Dude I am not American stop being so self-centred.

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                                Don't try to dodge the question

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